Destroyed Starships
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Constitution: ???
Constellation: destroyed, blowed up
Enterprise: destroyed, also blowed up
Excalibur: crew killed, ship wrecked
Lexington: ???
Hood: ???
Potemkin: ???
Defiant: disappeared
Exeter: crew dead, ship intact
also probably Constitution class--
Intrepid: destroyed
Farragut: ???
Yorktown: ???
there's yer "twelve ".
Constellation: destroyed, blowed up
Enterprise: destroyed, also blowed up
Excalibur: crew killed, ship wrecked
Lexington: ???
Hood: ???
Potemkin: ???
Defiant: disappeared
Exeter: crew dead, ship intact
also probably Constitution class--
Intrepid: destroyed
Farragut: ???
Yorktown: ???
there's yer "twelve ".
was the Constitution functional?
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There are two different starships with the name Valiant mentioned as being lost in Star Trek. One was lost two hundred years prior to Where No Man Has Gone Before and the other was lost fifty years prior to A Taste of Armageddon.
Nothing indicates either were Constitution class.
Nothing indicates either were Constitution class.
The ones with the "???" indicates we don't know what happened to them.
The Valiant mentioned in "A Taste Of Armageddon" may well not be a Constitution-class ship since it's fifty years prior to the events of TOS. If the Enterprise is accepted as the second built (1701) after the Constitution (1700) then it's doubtful the Valiant referenced in ATOA is of the same class.
In that case then the Constitution-class Valiant is still active during TOS.
In that case then the Constitution-class Valiant is still active during TOS.
The Valiant, and of course, the Valiant A
As far as we know for the TOS series (not including the movies):
U.S.S. Constellation NCC-1017 Lost in the Line of Duty (The Doomsday Machine) Destroyed
U.S.S. Defiant NCC-1764 Lost in the Line of Duty (The Tholian Web) Interphase/time travel
U.S.S. Intrepid NCC-1631 Lost in the Line of Duty (The Immunity Syndrome) Destroyed
U.S.S. Excalibur NCC-1664 Lost in the Line of Duty (The Ultimate Computer) Wrecked due to War games
U.S.S. Exeter NCC-1672 Crew Lost due to infection (The Omega Glory) Ship intact, crew lost
Damaged (in War Games):
U.S.S. Lexington NCC-1709, U.S.S. Hood NCC-1703, and U.S.S. Potemkin NCC-1657
And if we count the movies:
U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 (Refit) Destroyed to prevent capture (Star Trek III: The Search For Spock)
U.S.S. Constellation NCC-1017 Lost in the Line of Duty (The Doomsday Machine) Destroyed
U.S.S. Defiant NCC-1764 Lost in the Line of Duty (The Tholian Web) Interphase/time travel
U.S.S. Intrepid NCC-1631 Lost in the Line of Duty (The Immunity Syndrome) Destroyed
U.S.S. Excalibur NCC-1664 Lost in the Line of Duty (The Ultimate Computer) Wrecked due to War games
U.S.S. Exeter NCC-1672 Crew Lost due to infection (The Omega Glory) Ship intact, crew lost
Damaged (in War Games):
U.S.S. Lexington NCC-1709, U.S.S. Hood NCC-1703, and U.S.S. Potemkin NCC-1657
And if we count the movies:
U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 (Refit) Destroyed to prevent capture (Star Trek III: The Search For Spock)
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The ships involved in the wargames of "The Ultimate Computer" were damaged, but not wrecked. It's also possible that even the Excalibur could have been salvaged even if everyone aboard were dead.
The Exeter wasn't destroyed and it could conceivably have been decontaminated.
The Exeter wasn't destroyed and it could conceivably have been decontaminated.
You are correct. I didn't mean to imply the Exeter was destroyed, just the crew were! And that always bothered me saying the Excalibur was "destroyed" even thou we saw it on screen as intact (both original and remastered I believe). Unless, like a car, it was "totalled" and un repairable. (Easier to build new then try to repair/refit)
Possibily, depends upon the amount of damage..
The nearest modern equivalent to Star Trek's starships is the nuclear submarine. Both are craft..sometimes VERY large, surrounded by a inhospitable environment.
If the interior damage isn't too excessive, they can be salvaged and used again..
In the case of the Kirsk, the damage was too extensive..
http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2007/04/16/the-remains-of-kursk-submarine/
I think the amount of internal explosions, explosive depressurization and other such factors probable in the USS Excalibur after the battle would preclude any attempt at salvage..as the damage would be too extensive..
http://www.rocketpunk-manifesto.com/2009/06/space-warfare-iii-warships-in-space.html
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There no indication in the episode that the Intrepid was a constitution class, or even that USS came before her name. She carries 400 crew and those crew were Vulcans.
Where did you get NCC-1631?
Greg Jein wrote an extensive article on the subject, "The Case of Jonathan Doe Starship", based on Commodore Stone's starship repair roster featured in "Court Martial". Based on Stone's mention of the Intrepid in that ep, it is widely assumed that the all-Vulcan starship is both a Federation starship and a Constitution-class vessel.
Greg Jein in 1975, same place we got all the hull numbers except for Enterprise's and Constellation's.
Robert DeSoto
Lieutenant Commander
Kirk referred to it as the USS Intrepid during his captain's log. A crew of 400 implies it was a Constitution class ship, but it wasn't canon until the remastered version showed the Constitution class USS Intrepid in orbit of Starbase 11 during another episode (before it was destroyed).
And having an all Vulcan crew is normal for Starfleet. The Nebula class starship USS Tekumbra was all Vulcan. The USS Hera was mostly Vulcans too, but had a human captain. There's probably a lot more since Vulcan is probably the second most powerful member of the Federation.
Most of the unseen starships may not have been Constitution-class. We don't know, for example, when the Miranda-class ships like Reliant from TWOK were first in service. I'll bet since the Miranda-class is essentially a stripped-down Constitution-class, it was a precursor starship. Would be nice if someone thought to create such a starship for one of the scenes in the remastered eps. Imagine, if you will, a Miranda with nacelles like those in TOS. I think I saw someone post a pic like that once.
On a related note, a few of you spoke of the all-Vulcan crews on some starships like the Intrepid. Wonder if there were other starships also crewed primarily by one race? Would be interesting to see an all-Andorian or all-Tellarite crew on board such starships, as they are also important members of the Federation -- even though it did seem in Journey to Babel that the Tellarites had their own non-Federation priorities.
On a related note, a few of you spoke of the all-Vulcan crews on some starships like the Intrepid. Wonder if there were other starships also crewed primarily by one race? Would be interesting to see an all-Andorian or all-Tellarite crew on board such starships, as they are also important members of the Federation -- even though it did seem in Journey to Babel that the Tellarites had their own non-Federation priorities.
This was an idea suggested in The Making Of Star Trek. And that book was initially published in the summer of 1968.
