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Spock with red makeup

Red Spock would have been weird, no question. But then, if he'd always been red, we wouldn't even question it.

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But think of all the fake tan jokes trekkies would have had to endure for the last 40 years. Imagine the people dressing up at conventions.

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A red tint like this might have worked on screen from the beginning but it does depend on how red he was going to initially be.

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I thought it was special blend made just for Spock.

(Crossposted from the Star Trek Phase II Forum)

So, what color is Mister Spock?

Well, we know he has "green" copper-based blood. And we know that very early on, it was contemplated that the character might be a Martian with a reddish hue--just like the reddish sands that cover that planet. However, actual make-up tests revealed that reddish make-up doesn't look "alien;" it simply looks like bad make-up--especially for those with black and white televisions. So it was decided to make him a Vulcanian and go for a greenish, ochre, goldenish color, like--well, not quite like anything except maybe chicken soup. It's actually not an extreme difference from regular human color; it's fairly subtle.

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Early on, the color would have to be mixed by hand using the available make-up colors--notably using Max Factor's "Chinese Yellow" pigment. But it would be a pain to custom mix this Vulcanian color each and every day if the show actually became a series; it would need to be mixed exactly the same, consistently, for continuity purposes. Of course, Star Trek did become a series and for this custom-colored make up, Star Trek make-up artist Fred Phillips went to The Research Council of Make-up Artists, Inc. (RCMA). This company could (and still does) make custom colors--and then they keep the formulas (something like paint color formulas) on file so they can be produced again later. The RCMA helped to develop all kinds of odd colors—including the strange color for Eddie Munster on The Munsters.

For us at Star Trek Phase II, it can be difficult (just as it was for Fred Phillips) to use "regular" make-up to try and recreate an appropriate Vulcan color and apply it all evenly to the actor--whether it's Phase II's Jeff Quinn, Ben Tolpin, or Brandon Stacy. Fortunately, the original RCMA 1965 color "LN-1" ("Leonard Nimoy #1") for Mister Spock's odd Vulcan coloration is still available--if you know what to search for and you have the money. Here's a shot of my left hand made up (a little too heavily, I think) with some RCMA "LN-1" that I acquired recently--and my right hand its normal pinkish self as a contrast. It's funny: I've seen my photo on a variety of computer monitors now and it never looks the same. Sometimes it appears really washed out and other times it appears super saturated. (I have no idea how it will render on *your* screen.)

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And here's a shot of the little LN-1 make-up jars:
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Interestingly, just as Kirk's shirt photographs not quite as green as it is in real life, this LN-1 make-up also doesn’t photograph quite as green as it looks to my naked eye.

There's no real commentary here--except to say that recreating the look of 1960s Star Trek for our fan-based series requires a greater eye to detail than most people probably imagine--right down to using the proper make-up pigments.

(For those of you in L.A., I got my LN-1 make-up from Sig Frends Beauty Supply in North Hollywood on Laurel Canyon right at Magnolia. I don't know if they have any left.)
 
It always bugged me that Spock sometimes had rosy cheeks, yet was supposed to have green blood. :rolleyes:
 
^Not to mention having red lips and tongue.

It always bugged me that Spock wore eye shadow. What was up with that? I suppose the idea was to make his eyes look more hooded, but to me it just looks like makeup.
 
Interesting. As I recall, they initially used more of a golden tint for Spock's makeup in the second pilot, Where No Man Has Gone Before, before switching to the more greenish tint in the rest of the series. I also recall Rodenberry in his initial notes on Spock referring to him as half-Martian. Maybe that's where the original conception of his skin as red-tinted came from, a hint that he was from the Red Planet. So glad that changed, too!

They did succeed with red makeup in The Apple, of course. Wonder what the children of Vaal would have looked like on a B&W TV?
 
^Not to mention having red lips and tongue.

It always bugged me that Spock wore eye shadow. What was up with that? I suppose the idea was to make his eyes look more hooded, but to me it just looks like makeup.
Yeah but didn't McCoy and Sulu also have eye shadow on a lot of the time too?
 
Star Trek 365 does indeed say "jet black."

So the question then is - according to who? Is any of the authors of Star Trek 365 someone who'd have been a first-hand observer at the time, or is this a twice-told tale?

I already answered that above. D. C. Fontana said "escapee from a minstrel show" in her introduction, Paula Block & Terry Erdmann said "jet-black" in the body of the text.
 
If I didn't know that Spock was supposed to be an alien character, I would never have guessed that his skin tone was makeup. It looks very natural.
 
Actually, the color of the makeup used on Nimoy during the actual show was called, somewhat offensively, "Chinese Yellow."

Fred Phillips had a pancake makeup specialist mix up a combination of Flesh and Chinese Yellow, creating a new sallow shade, which they called "LN-1" ("Leonard Nimoy 1"), which has been used on many of the actors playing Vulcans in "Star Trek" over the decades.

When ST:TMP came out, I know some people who shouted at Spock, "He's not green!", misremembering that it was his blood that was green, not his skin tone.
 
Glad we didn't have a red looking Spock as that would've really weird. Another reason going for the green tint other than it being better for the TV, could be that in those days people read comics, books and stories about little green men mars etc. So, it could've been the alien colour of the time.
 
Another reason going for the green tint other than it being better for the TV, could be that in those days people read comics, books and stories about little green men mars etc. So, it could've been the alien colour of the time.

That was undoubtedly a factor. The original Klingon makeup had some green mixed in with the brown. Then there are the Orion slave girls.

I wonder where the concept of "little green men" originated. Why green? Perhaps it's derived from the saying about the Moon being made of green cheese -- which originally meant fresh, un-aged cheese ("green" in the sense of unripe), which is why it was applied to the obviously non-green Moon. But that meaning was forgotten over time.

Hold on, I'll Wiki it...

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Nope, it looks like the term was actually in use before it came to be applied to aliens -- it was originally used in reference to various supernatural creatures like goblins and faeries. Hmm, maybe by association with green as the color of nature? So mystical woodland creatures and the like might be green in order to hide among the foliage? Or maybe, for scarier creatures, it's because green is a reptilian color and thus carries connotations of the sinister and monstrous.
 
Imagine how different the mythos of Star Trek would have been if Vulcans had been from Mars instead of Vulcan. There would likely have been major differences in our stories of first contact, the initial human-Vulcan alliance, all sorts of stuff.
 
^Well, not a companion to Earth, but a planet within Mercury's orbit, even closer to the Sun (hence being named after the god of the forge). And yes, a number of planets in science fiction were named in reference to it -- much the same way that the various fictional uses of "Planet X" in the mid-20th century were in reference to a hypothetical tenth planet beyond Pluto (X meaning both "10" and "unknown").
 
I think we're starting to mix stories.

The bit with the color mixers "fixing" things was the green makeup tests, with Majel standing in for Susan Oliver.

I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
 
I think we're starting to mix stories.

The bit with the color mixers "fixing" things was the green makeup tests, with Majel standing in for Susan Oliver.

I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
I just looked through it (via the index) and found nothing on the subject.
 
I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.

There was a story about them putting Brent Spiner in a rainbow of face colours to see how they'd photograph, and also how each colour would appear on b/w TV. But I don't recall Nimoy photos getting colour corrected by the lab; that was Majel in green (and they also tried some Spock-like makeup on her as Number One).
 
I think we're starting to mix stories.

The bit with the color mixers "fixing" things was the green makeup tests, with Majel standing in for Susan Oliver.

I don't have the book in front of me, but I think the Solow/Justman book mentions an incident of color correction regarding Spock which mirrored the green makeup issue.
I just looked through it (via the index) and found nothing on the subject.

Inside Star Trek is one of my favorite BTS books, but I think its index is too abbreviated. I think ssosmcin is referring to the "chicken soup" reference on pages 255-256.
 
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