Design the Next Enterprise

[Vincent Law]

So this Enterprise is guilty of resembling an Enterprise that resembles an Enterprise. Well, with that kind of arguing, forget this Enterprise. You can make that exact same argument to any ship that has the following features.

No, you couldn't make that kind of an argument because it is far too generalized a statement. There is a very strong resemblance in the portions of the two ships which I mentioned. If you choose to ignore the similarity, that is another matter, but that does not negate the fact the the similarity exists.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Yeah, it vaguely resembles JJ's Enterprise, but it resembles the A and the E models perfectly.

 

[sojourner]

Why do I think all of the serious submissions are going to show up on Jan. 12th?

 

[Captain Robert April]

Because they won't have the site working properly until the 10th?

 

[Belisarius]

^
I think that's really optimistic, Cap.


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

 

[BolianAuthor]

This thread is useless without a picture of the U.S.S. Murder.

 

[Belisarius]

Looks like we're neighbors for the moment, Sean.


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

 

[Titan Designer]

Cool

 

[Belisarius]

Awp...moment's passed.


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

 

[Titan Designer]

Awp...moment's passed.


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

Ship In The Wind...or Stelar Drift

 

[sojourner]

Anybody else getting error messages on the site now when trying to view recent?

 

[BolianAuthor]

Not me.

 

[Saquist]

Just because it doesn't look exactly the same as the JJprise doesn't mean that there isn't any resemblance.

So this Enterprise is guilty of resembling an Enterprise that resembles an Enterprise. Well, with that kind of arguing, forget this Enterprise. You can make that exact same argument to any ship that has the following features.

Saucer Section: √
Secondary Hull: √
Two Warp Nacelles stretched out via pylons: √

But if you want to poke at the finer details, allow me draw more comparisons between this Enterprise and the Enterprise E.

The warp nacelle pylons are stretching more horizontal than vertical and they curve unlike JJ's pylons. The deflector array is more attached to the secondary hull and has a bit of an angle like the Enterprise E. The saucer section has less circular outlines like the lines from the impulse engines to the forward section like the Enterprise E, including having the Impulse Engines spread apart rather than joined into one single output area.

Oh, and those warp engines? Not only are they smaller in size to JJ's Enterprise, but JJ's completely lacks the black lining, which is reminiscent of the original Enterprise's "refit" warp engine design. Only here, the black linings go all the way back to the end instead of only part way.

Yeah, it vaguely resembles JJ's Enterprise, but it resembles the A and the E models perfectly.

Look at it this way...almost every Federation resembles the constitution class, it's the configuration norm. But when you add the JJ Hood and the JJ Neck in Churches design it becomes clear what design it truly is attempting to take after.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Let's take another look at this puppy...

I've give you the hoods on the Bussards, mainly just for the sake of argument, but I'm not seeing the neck. Probably because unlike that kitbashed monstrosity that JJ foisted on us, this one actually flows together and is properly proportioned.

 

[Belisarius]

I'm actually having a hard time picking out how the "neck" meets the ventral surface of the saucer section.


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

 

[Saquist]

Let's take another look at this puppy...

I've give you the hoods on the Bussards, mainly just for the sake of argument, but I'm not seeing the neck. Probably because unlike Church's design, this one actually flows together, as opposed to that kitbashed monstrosity that JJ foisted on us.

Hoods...no matter what the styling is will always be a trait of Ryan Church's design.

The Bi Section Neck will always be a trait of the Ryan Church design no matter what the styling.

Ryan Church set a precedent with his design. It's distinctive. No other ship uses takes the dorsal Neck and creates a clear bisection from top to bottom dividing thinner from thicker. This picture even blends it into the contoured bi section at the front of secondary hull.

Is this a better job a sculpting the same feature or is this a better take? Perhaps. It doesn't do much for me because it still looks frivolous from a design standpoint and when you take those features away all you really get is the TMP Enterprise. But sure this looks nice especially as a painting but I hope the fans see that we need more function in these designs. I tend to take Proberts side on design that it should be functional first...pretty last.

The JJ prise is essentially hoods on the engines, slender rear secondary hull and oddly placed bisected neck. This artist abandoned the slender hull and the oddly placed neck. But remove all that from the JJ pise and you got the TMP Enterprise.

The TMP Enterprise maybe the inspiration but the JJ prise is certainly part of this ship's parentage. Like my ship that certainly takes after the Excelsior and Intrepid Class. You can debate which is the stronger influence but the traits are definitely there. There is also some uniqueness to this design as well. The only thing I really like is rear section of the Nacelles which abandon the red/blue engine scheme that has dominated trek for a very long time.

Let's take another look at this puppy...

I've give you the hoods on the Bussards, mainly just for the sake of argument, but I'm not seeing the neck. Probably because unlike that kitbashed monstrosity that JJ foisted on us, this one actually flows together and is properly proportioned.

The base of the neck never actually touches the saucer.
The neck enters a plat form that runs from the front of the saucer to the rear of the saucer much like the top view shows but apparently narrorer in width.

The lower sensor dome and lights are sitting on the same platform.

The Impulse engines also seem to be part of this platform aswell.

 

[Belisarius]

The base of the neck never actually touches the saucer.
The neck enters a plat form that runs from the front of the saucer to the rear of the saucer much like the top view shows but apparently narrorer in width.

The lower sensor dome and lights are sitting on the same platform.

The Impulse engines also seem to be part of this platform aswell.

I see it now, but the perspective still doesn't look right to me. *shrug*


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

 

[Mojomoe]

Wow, haven't checked in in a while. All KINDS of discussions going on in here!

This is actually kinda fun. I'm a concept artist, so it's always neat seeing people (usually modelers and character artists) dissecting paintings and seeing what they see in them, even (usually) if it's not what I intended. Usually my own original interpretation is the most boring of the bunch

Anyways, to put any speculation to rest, you're all correct. I set out to create a ship that was the Constitution refit divided by the Sovereign class, with a sprinkling of the JJ-prise. So there you have it - the, erm, "Dedication Class" (ugh) is a constitution refit laid along a long, lean Sovereign keel with I'd say 4% JJ in there - the afore-mentioned nacelle caps and "neck thing" (for lack of term) being the standouts.

I'll also point out that the thing that makes her look the most like the JJ is the lack of windows. This was intentional - the original painting had a ton of windows like the 1701-E, and it ended up looking like a frikkin' hotel. Maybe that's why I like the Refit better?

There's also a lowered- and raised- platform, as mentioned, that runs along the top and bottom of the saucer, in the "atari" shape as shown in the concept. It does in fact connect the impulse engines, and the sensor dome (and bridge) sit on the top and bottom of that, respectively.

As for the aft section of the neck? I didn't really think about it as I painted it. I suppose it could look like anything, really. I did a quick 3D proxy of the thing and it came out looking like the cobra-neck of the Galaxy-class in back, with the thin vertical strut of the constitution in the front. So there's one interpretation.

As we say in the concept field, "it looks however you think looks best, and all the crappy parts are mistakes"


An interesting post-note, while I LOURVE the lens-flares in the new movie, the blue streaks on my F aren't that. I was going more for the subjective streak seen in the Bob Peak painting for TMP... depending on the technology in the 25th century, I could see that as breaking with tradition and actually being a visible cloud of ionized gas and superheated hydrogen that extends in front of the ship and bussards.

...Unless that looks dumb, in which case that's totally not what I was thinking.

Cheers!
-Moe.

 

[Saquist]

The base of the neck never actually touches the saucer.
The neck enters a plat form that runs from the front of the saucer to the rear of the saucer much like the top view shows but apparently narrorer in width.

The lower sensor dome and lights are sitting on the same platform.

The Impulse engines also seem to be part of this platform aswell.

I see it now, but the perspective still doesn't look right to me. *shrug*


~Belisarius
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"All life is struggle, from first breath to last."
- Anonymous

It's very difficult to project oblong circles like that of the Galaxy through fore shortening...especially free hand. You need lots of reference points on the design to know exactly where wider areas are in perspective. I always had a hard time drawing Galaxy in this perspective untill I mentally grid-ed the design an new exactly where everything was.

Wow, haven't checked in in a while. All KINDS of discussions going on in here!

This is actually kinda fun. I'm a concept artist, so it's always neat seeing people (usually modelers and character artists) dissecting paintings and seeing what they see in them, even (usually) if it's not what I intended. Usually my own original interpretation is the most boring of the bunch

Anyways, to put any speculation to rest, you're all correct. I set out to create a ship that was the Constitution refit divided by the Sovereign class, with a sprinkling of the JJ-prise. So there you have it - the, erm, "Dedication Class" (ugh) is a constitution refit laid along a long, lean Sovereign keel with I'd say 4% JJ in there - the afore-mentioned nacelle caps and "neck thing" (for lack of term) being the standouts.

I'll also point out that the thing that makes her look the most like the JJ is the lack of windows. This was intentional - the original painting had a ton of windows like the 1701-E, and it ended up looking like a frikkin' hotel. Maybe that's why I like the Refit better?

There's also a lowered- and raised- platform, as mentioned, that runs along the top and bottom of the saucer, in the "atari" shape as shown in the concept. It does in fact connect the impulse engines, and the sensor dome (and bridge) sit on the top and bottom of that, respectively.

As for the aft section of the neck? I didn't really think about it as I painted it. I suppose it could look like anything, really. I did a quick 3D proxy of the thing and it came out looking like the cobra-neck of the Galaxy-class in back, with the thin vertical strut of the constitution in the front. So there's one interpretation.

As we say in the concept field, "it looks however you think looks best, and all the crappy parts are mistakes"


An interesting post-note, while I LOURVE the lens-flares in the new movie, the blue streaks on my F aren't that. I was going more for the subjective streak seen in the Bob Peak painting for TMP... depending on the technology in the 25th century, I could see that as breaking with tradition and actually being a visible cloud of ionized gas and superheated hydrogen that extends in front of the ship and bussards.

...Unless that looks dumb, in which case that's totally not what I was thinking.

Cheers!
-Moe.

I'm guessing the Sovereign trait is the arrow head.
To tell you the truth that looks like a trait of the Excalibur Class ship on Bridge Commander. Another well made design.

 

[Venardhi]

Hoods...no matter what the styling is will always be a trait of Ryan Church's design.

The Bi Section Neck will always be a trait of the Ryan Church design no matter what the styling.

Ryan Church set a precedent with his design. It's distinctive. No other ship uses takes the dorsal Neck and creates a clear bisection from top to bottom dividing thinner from thicker. This picture even blends it into the contoured bi section at the front of secondary hull.

Both the hoods and the neck were done by Gabe Koerner on his Enterprise well before Church. The Church design almost looks like the E-A(or B or C) to Koerner's E in fact.