People keep saying this, but it just isn't there. Even a lot of the films fans have noted the distinction between the two.
I am starting to really warm up to TOS
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I do think it has a vibrancy that the TNG forward Trek lacks. I would say that it is more beholding to the films than the TV show.
Show her Buster Keaton next!!!Talk about someone who has stood the test of time...
Let's not forget Harold Lloyd...a true master and entrepreneur of early slapstick!
Rob
Actually, You don't see the energy and spirit..others might..
and they have a right to see that energy as much as you don't..
I'm not the only one to mention it.
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No. Just the only one making it a constant issue, or non issue as most would agree.
I'm 20, and my first star trek experience was with the new star trek movie. I thought it was fun, and I liked the characters. It made me interested in the original series, and now I'm obsessed with tos. There's a lot about TNG that I like. I love Data and Picard. And I've seen some really good and some really bad episodes of DS9 and Voyager. But I don't know if I'll ever love another star trek series like I love tos. The cast chemistry is great, and it has all the idealistic philosophy that a young person like me can fall in love with. (is it just me or is ds9 and beyond a little dark compared to TOS and TNG?)
I will say, my dad was always into star trek, but I wasn't smart enough to recognize how good it was, mainly because I was really intimidated by the sheer size of the franchise. I thought "There's no way I'll ever be able to catch up at this point." But you know, what's good about the original series is it's not too intimidating in terms of need-to-know background knowledge. It's only like 80 episodes and they teach you everything you need to know as you go along. That's why I wonder if TOS isn't the best starting point for a potential trek fan.
(Another very small criticism of later series. Why are the vulcans so abused? I've recently watched a couple DS9 episodes where the vulcans are the antagonists of the episode. It's like they rarely show up and when they do they're portrayed as super-arrogant jerks or criminals! What did the vulcans ever do to the ds9 writers?)
I will say, my dad was always into star trek, but I wasn't smart enough to recognize how good it was, mainly because I was really intimidated by the sheer size of the franchise. I thought "There's no way I'll ever be able to catch up at this point." But you know, what's good about the original series is it's not too intimidating in terms of need-to-know background knowledge. It's only like 80 episodes and they teach you everything you need to know as you go along. That's why I wonder if TOS isn't the best starting point for a potential trek fan.
(Another very small criticism of later series. Why are the vulcans so abused? I've recently watched a couple DS9 episodes where the vulcans are the antagonists of the episode. It's like they rarely show up and when they do they're portrayed as super-arrogant jerks or criminals! What did the vulcans ever do to the ds9 writers?)
Normally I would let this sort of thing pass. But I'm thoroughly sick of it, particularly when it's not anywhere near true. This issue was raised so it's perfectly appropriate for me to comment.
And so instead of commenting on the subject at hand you again resort to a drive-by swipe just to try to make a cheap point. And it is cheap. It's also unworthy of you because I've read enough of your posts to know you have a better mind than that.
It's really sad.
And so are you.Yeah, he's sad.
That is a good observation. I would even say XI had more energy (too much for my tastes, but whatever) than the series.
But a different ethos ("spirit") from the series ("Risk is our business," IDIC, morality plays, "issue" episodes, etc).
But it is only one film compared to 79 eps. See how an ethos develops over the next few films, assuming they happen.
Be well, all.
And so are you.Yeah, he's sad.
Not sad..just overly obsessed..
That's a fair point. that said I do feel something was missing. Whatever their differences and whatever issues I might have with some of the films the first two or three (TMP, TWOK and TSFS) resonated with TOS on some level. After that I feel the films became more their own thing with their own vibe.
Something that was brought up in RedLetterMedia's review of ST09 that I think has some merit: This film should really be looked at like other movie versions of old tv shows, like the Dukes of Hazzard movie, or better, the McHale's Navy movie with Tom Arnold, with its cameo by Ernest Borgnine. No real connection to the old show, not a continuation of the overall storyline. Just a big bloated Hollywood remake of an old tv show.
And as such, easily disposable.
And as such, easily disposable.
Nailed!
**reads page**
Gentlemen.
The next one who resorts to even a veiled personal attack will be warned.
I don't want that crap in this forum. We're here to talk about Trek, not play the "I'm better than he is" superiority game that goes on online too often.
Consider this your holiday gift. I was really tempted to just hand out warnings to all involved just for the annoyance factor.
Gentlemen.
The next one who resorts to even a veiled personal attack will be warned.
I don't want that crap in this forum. We're here to talk about Trek, not play the "I'm better than he is" superiority game that goes on online too often.
Consider this your holiday gift. I was really tempted to just hand out warnings to all involved just for the annoyance factor.
^ This!
I'm rather glad I haven't keeping up with this thread too much...
All, please remember that we are all Trek fans here. We may not all like the same versions or the same aspects of any versions, but we have all found something to like in some part of Star Trek and that should unite us to some extent.
I'm rather glad I haven't keeping up with this thread too much...
All, please remember that we are all Trek fans here. We may not all like the same versions or the same aspects of any versions, but we have all found something to like in some part of Star Trek and that should unite us to some extent.
I actually liked The Dukes of Hazzard remake.
I don't think Star Trek 2009 is nearly as bad (nor nearly as good) as alot of folks make it out to be.
To me the film was,so close... yet so far away. They got some good actors who really fit the parts, except for Saldana and Pegg. The film had some nice character moments. Plot-wise, it was a mess. Depending too much on coincidence and repetitive actions to be taken seriously, then mix in lifting Khan (even though I thought Eric Bana did a bang up job as Nero) and the Genesis device directly from Star Trek II. The Enterprise designs, interior and exterior, weren't necessarily good or bad... but jarring to this long-time fan. I still don't think I can look at them with an unbiased eye.
So in the end I'll be seeing Star Trek 2012 and hope that it doesn't present itself as a CliffNotes version of everything that has gone before like Star Trek 2009 did. Though with the writers of Transformers 2 penning the script, I don't have alot of hope.
I actually liked The Dukes of Hazzard remake.
I don't think Star Trek 2009 is nearly as bad (nor nearly as good) as alot of folks make it out to be.
To me the film was,so close... yet so far away.
Exactly how I felt about the movie. I enjoyed it for what it was, but at the same time felt it fell short of what TOS was.
Of course, it helped that TV and most movies have driven me away with their insistence on beating the audience over the head with angst-ridden, dysfunctional families (Ron Moore's overrated pathetic shit-fest BSG comes to mind). Fortunately Star Trek 2009 kept this nonsense to a minimum and was actually watchable.
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