Anybody else think Captian Sisko is a very good looking man?

[Photon]

I thought Damar was the one the girls would bed

I'd take this Cardassian cookie over Damar and most of other Cardassians out there
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3x09/defiant_276.jpg

You ...you.... TRAITOR!
.... *looks at picture*
.... Though... that Cardassian IS a cute looking one for sure. Where did you dig out him?

As for Sisko... he looks ok... I do not find him particullary attractive nor particullary unattractive.

TerokNor

If I were gay or a girl, I'd agree. Anyhoo, Damar is by far and away my fav Carddy (even more than the legendary Garak)

 

[Gul Re'jal]

^ Maybe he was a certain young Gorr recently transferred from Gul Jasad's Galor?...

Yes? Yes? Owwwwwwww

 

[Bones2]

Dukat is clearly the most attractive Cardie (except Ocett of course). Charming, clever, dangerous, brilliant. Sisko's just a stupid thug who had a massive tantrum over Eddington.

 

[Tosk]

Garak? Really? Did nothing for me at all. I mean, I enjoyed his character a lot, but aside from an episode here or there (or rather, a scene here or there), he always struck me as essentially sexless. I'm not talking about the actor but the character. Same thing but even more so for Weyoun.

Surely the sexual nature of a character has no bearing on whether they can be judged as attractive or not?

Not to mention that Garak showed quite a bit of interest in both Ziyal and Julian. One can argue that he was only ever friendly to them, but still...I guess he just never seemed sexless to me. As with so many things, sexlessness is in the eye of the beholder.

I think one of the cool things about Star Trek is that nobody has traditional good looks, at least not in the TV sense, until we got to Seven and T'pol.

Agreed. Some of Trek's biggest sex symbols came in very different packages to the usual Hollywood fare. Patrick Stewart is a good example.

...and is it weird that I would put Seven and T'Pol pretty close to the bottom of any Trek beauty polls? They just don't do much for me.

 

[Saquist]

I'm not gay, does anybody else think that Sisko is very good looking?

NO....

 

[Deks]

Well, I'm gay, but I don't find Sisko appealing to be honest... in fact, none of the male cast from DS9 were in fact that appealing to me physically.
I don't really go for the supermodel/superficial/muscular type of look, and I liked the fact DS9 cast was not 'perfect' in that retrospect, but the males were not of too much physical attractiveness.

Vedek Bareil on the other hand was quite good looking.

 

[Gul Re'jal]

I wonder... why someone assumes that a man must be a gay to express their opinion about another man's attractiveness? Why no one ever asked me if I were a lesbian before asking if I find some woman attractive? If find someone attractive or not, it doesn't automatically mean I have to take them to bed So what does sexual orientation have to do with telling if someone's a pretty face?

Or am I missing somethin'?

 

[Deranged Nasat]

...and is it weird that I would put Seven and T'Pol pretty close to the bottom of any Trek beauty polls? They just don't do much for me.

Nor me. T'Pol's alright, but I never found Seven attractive. Of course, that meant I was free to appreciate her character without the supposed sexiness getting in the way...

 

[Deranged Nasat]

I wonder... why someone assumes that a man must be a gay to express their opinion about another man's attractiveness? Why no one ever asked me if I were a lesbian before asking if I find some woman attractive? If find someone attractive or not, it doesn't automatically mean I have to take them to bed So what does sexual orientation have to do with telling if someone's a pretty face?

Or am I missing somethin'?

It's probably the same thing that leads to any two male characters (or actual men and boys) showing any sort of loving non-familial relationship or physical contact being seen as potentially homosexual. There's a strangely widespread cultural view of male humans as inherently sexual, and any contact they make with another being is seen, at least in potential, through the prism of sexuality. So a man saying "that man is sexually attractive" is seen by many as an implicit acknowledgement that "I want to have sex with him". As a result, I imagine many men feel the need to clarify that's not what they mean; this, I presume, is why so many people automatically make the statement "I'm not gay..." before they make the judgement. They feel the need - rightly or wrongly depending on how powerful the male-as-sexual idea is - to clarify a distinction between "finding attractive" and "desiring sexual contact". I can't really blame them, seeing as I've seen many people assume that any appreciation a man or boy shows to others (oddly, particularly other males) is a result of wanting to frinx them, pardon my Ferengi....

 

[Satyrquaze]

Sisko was a very attractive man, speaking purely as a hetrosexual male.

 

[Saquist]

I wonder... why someone assumes that a man must be a gay to express their opinion about another man's attractiveness?

Because Hetrosexual men don't care to be confused with a Gay man because it's known to scare off the kind of females most heterosexual men want.

Why no one ever asked me if I were a lesbian before asking if I find some woman attractive? If find someone attractive or not, it doesn't automatically mean I have to take them to bed So what does sexual orientation have to do with telling if someone's a pretty face?

Or am I missing somethin'?

That's the difference between the genders. Manly is apart of Man's ego but females don't have that sort of ego problems. They're known for cat fighting, biting and scathing remarks to other females that they view as competition where as men tend to only engage in egotistical competitions directly, physically.

I guess you could say females are more vain in appearance and Males are more vain in ego.

 

[JustKate]

Garak? Really? Did nothing for me at all. I mean, I enjoyed his character a lot, but aside from an episode here or there (or rather, a scene here or there), he always struck me as essentially sexless. I'm not talking about the actor but the character. Same thing but even more so for Weyoun.

Surely the sexual nature of a character has no bearing on whether they can be judged as attractive or not?

I see your point, but I guess I wasn't really talking about attractiveness per se, if by attractiveness we mean "handsome" or "having features that people find appealing." I was talking about attractiveness as in "sexually attractive," and for me, sexlessness isn't sexually attractive. What can I say? I like a man to be really...manly. Not macho, but manly (definition: having qualities traditionally attributed to a man, e.g., strength, virility, bravery, honor, etc.), and neither Garak nor Weyoun, goodness knows, were all that manly. There are, of course, people who go for femininity or asexuality or even nonsexuality, but I am not one of them. That's just the way it works, you know? Or at least that's the way I work.

Not to mention that Garak showed quite a bit of interest in both Ziyal and Julian. One can argue that he was only ever friendly to them, but still...I guess he just never seemed sexless to me. As with so many things, sexlessness is in the eye of the beholder.

Well, of course it is. That's why I said that's "how he always struck me" (emphasis added). BTW, just to make sure we're clear here, when I said "sexless," I am not using that as a euphemism for "effeminate." I mean "giving the impression that sex is, generally speaking, not of much interest." And that's usually the impression that Garak gave me - despite Ziyal and Julian.

And speaking of Ziyal and Julian - yes, I know, that's why I made reference to "aside from a scene here and there." But I have to say that I just never really bought the Garak-Ziyal romance. It might have worked, and in fact it might have been really interesting and a great character development. But it seemed to me that the writers really forced it, and therefore as written, it just wasn't very believable, and I don't think it made a lot of sense. I'm in the process of rewatching DS9, so maybe it will strike me differently now, but when I originally saw those episodes, that was a romance that struck me as a typical Trek romance, and I don't intend that as a compliment. There are exceptions, of course, but on the whole, Trek didn't handle romance very well, and Garak and Ziyal, unfortunately, fit into that mold: A romance that was forced into a plot without giving the characters the opportunity to make it believable. At least, it wasn't believable to me. YMMV.

Garak's ambiguous scenes with Bashir were actually a lot more believable as potentially sexual, frankly. But it seemed to me - again, I'll have to see how it strikes me now - that while there was a fair amount of ambiguity early on, that kind of died out after 2-3 seasons.

So yeah, I still say that despite a scene here and there, Garak struck me (emphasis added ;-) ) as essentially sexless. And to me (emphasis added ;-) ), that's just not sexually attractive.

If you want my opinion on Garak's and Weyoun's handsomeness...well, they don't do much for me there, either. They aren't ugly or anything, but their appearance wasn't striking in either way. To me, at least.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Well, I'm glad this discussion has evolved into something more interesting that the usual discussion over hair/shaved head/clean-shaven/goatee thing.

And personally, I see the men of DS9 (or the ones I'm attracted to, anyway) as each possessing a different strength....and in some cases, their sex appeal does not so much come from looks as from attitude.

Sisko. (since he is, after all, the topic). I thought Sisko was much sexier during the second half of the show. And while I prefer the shaved-head/goatee thing, that was only the outer trimmings which represented a much larger change that Avery Brooks was making to that character at the time.

Sisko had always been more of a badass than was, say, Picard...but Avery Brooks bumped it up a few notches during the second half, I thought...and really came across much more as a badass who would take no shit, and did not suffer fools (especially long-winded ones) lightly. I saw an edge given to Sisko that I'd never seen previous, and I liked it. And it made the character much sexier to me.

I always thought Avery Brooks was a nice looking man, but Sisko of the second half was much sexier.

As for some of the others...there are three other men of DS9 who really got my attention:

1. Bareil. I loved Bareil. Even Bad Boy Bareil. Very good looking, but he also had that whole religious mysticism thing going for him and I liked that. He was not naive or anything - but wise and truly decent, with a splash of the mystical thrown in for interest.

For my money, Bareil was the most spongeworthy guy on the show.

2. Bashir. Bashir was slow to start, because he was kind of an insufferable dweeb at first. But there is no gettin' around the fact that Sid is a nice looking man, and once Bashir got over himself (about the time he and Miles got stranded together and started to become friends), he became more attractive as time went on.

Plus, he did have that British accent going for him - always a plus for most American girls (of which I am one).

3. Damar. You know, back in the day before most of you came to this board, the girls of this forum used to have an avatar we called "Time-share Casey". There was a reason for this: Casey Biggs is just pain HOT. Anyway, we used to take turns sporting this avatar - IIRC, we'd each get it for a month or so, in rotation, unless someone did something really kickass good, and then they immediately got to 'wear' Time-share Casey for a while as a reward.

Generally speaking, Cardassian makeup does NOTHING for me, in terms of sex appeal. Absolutely nothing. But Casey Biggs is such an utterly HOT guy that even with Cardassian makeup on, he was FINE. And of course, it helped a lot that the character of Damar was a 'bad boy'...and helped even more that he became 'bad-boy turns good' as the leader of/martyr for the Cardassian resistance.

The sex appeal of Damar is hard to resist. No doubt about it.

I need to go dig up Time-share Casey. I have him on a hard drive around here somewhere.....That avatar and the Delvian Chocolate Award used to be staples around this forum, years ago.

 

[Infern0]

he was pretty good lloking, but it was the charisma that did it for him

 

[Gul Re'jal]

I need to go dig up Time-share Casey.

Please do!

 

[PKTrekGirl]

I need to go dig up Time-share Casey.

Please do!

I'll try to find him. Please remind me if I forget, okay? I have a bit going on in my personal life right now...but don't let me forget about it. Send me a PM in a couple of days if you need to. Because now I really want to find him.

Your job!

And if you girls want to do Time-share Casey again, and re-institute that tradition, it would be fine with me. Actually, it was kind of fun and I miss doing it.

In my view, it's never a bad thing for the DS9 forum to have a permanent avatar of Casey Biggs floating around.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Can I see Time-Share Casey? Please? I've been a good girl!

(I'm still a Macet girl, myself--but I still would love to see it. )

You know, though...this may seem really, really, REALLY weird...but I found myself liking Li Nalas a lot, both in looks and personality. I think I liked him because he wasn't full of himself, yet at the same time was able to be strong when the moment required it. I actually thought he could have had a good relationship with Kira. They could relate to each other's experiences--yet at the same time I think he could have been a tempering influence on her.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

^ Wow! Lots of interest generated for Time-share Casey! Excellent!

Seriously though, guys - don't be afraid to shoot me a PM in a day or so if I forget. I'm totally cool with that. I have a lot on my mind right now, but you guys deserve to see this and be part of the DS9 tradition, being such huge fans of the Cardassians and all.

Time-share Casey really is a part of this forum's history. And truthfully, I should have remembered him long before now.

 

[Tosk]

What can I say? I like a man to be really...manly. Not macho, but manly (definition: having qualities traditionally attributed to a man, e.g., strength, virility, bravery, honor, etc.), and neither Garak nor Weyoun, goodness knows, were all that manly. There are, of course, people who go for femininity or asexuality or even nonsexuality, but I am not one of them. That's just the way it works, you know? Or at least that's the way I work.

Ah, I totally get where you're coming from now. I misunderstood what you were getting at. Sorry.

 

[TerokNor]

Ohhh... a Time-share Casey? Oh yes, I want to see that too please.
Though personally I do not find the actor without make-up that hot, though he is not bad looking...but WITH make-up. Pitty Cardassians are only fantasy!

TerokNor