Eugenics Wars.

[BrotherBenny]

It is a favorite text of mine, Greg.

Here's where it appears for those unfamiliar:

Book 1, lines 254-263, the exact quote is on line 263.

The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n. [ 255 ]
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th' Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence: [ 260 ]
Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce
To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n.

 

[captcalhoun]

i wish someone would start raiding Queen lyrics for titles...

 

[Greg Cox]

i wish someone would start raiding Queen lyrics for titles...

Ah, but they're not public domain.

Wait a hundred years or so . . . . .

 

[TheAlmanac]

i wish someone would start raiding Queen lyrics for titles...

Ah, but they're not public domain.

Wait a hundred years or so . . . . .

I'm sure some version of the Highlander franchise will still have a lock on those, even then.

 

[EJA]

I'm sure other people have already mentioned this, but I have noticed the large amount of characters from other franchises crossing over into the Trekverse in Greg's EW novels. There's Maggie Erickson, who is strongly implied to be the same character as Maggie Walsh from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and a woman called Sommers who's an ex-tennis player and involved in international politics, a reference to Jaime Sommers from The Six Million Dollar Man and Bionic Woman TV shows.

Regarding the Augments in ENT, does anyone remember the scene were Archer shows Udar photos of his parents, a professor an an Olympic athlete? Do the EW novels say anything about the parents of the genetic superkids? I know Khan had a mother, but I don't recall any mention being made of a father; I don't think he had one. If the Augment embryos were created by Chrysalis, why would some have two parents, and others only one? It doesn't make sense.

 

[David cgc]

There's a chapter in the first EW book where a guy is interviewed by Khan's mother to join the program, and he's told that all the scientists are expected to contribute to their little projects, in every sense, even gesturing to little Khan in her belly for emphasis.

I'm sure Khan had a male donor, but Dr. Kaur didn't seem like the romantic type.

 

[EJA]

There's a chapter in the first EW book where a guy is interviewed by Khan's mother to join the program, and he's told that all the scientists are expected to contribute to their little projects, in every sense, even gesturing to little Khan in her belly for emphasis.

I'm sure Khan had a male donor, but Dr. Kaur didn't seem like the romantic type.

Khan was already a child when Gary Seven and Roberta uncovered Chrysalis. Dr. Kaur was pregnant with Khan's sibling (which is never born.)

Did Chrysalis store their embryos at all?

 

[Christopher]

Did Chrysalis store their embryos at all?

I'm sure they must have. In genetics work like that, there would've surely been plenty of embryos in addition to the ones that were gestated.

 

[EJA]

Here's an idea I'd like some feedback on: Maybe the embryos Soong took weren't created until well after Khan and his brethren were defeated? Could someone else have gotten the idea to create a race of physically perfect, genius super-soldiers to police the world? Who could have done this, and when? There were over 1,800 embryos stored at Cold Station 12, so whoever did it must've had extensive access to the appropriate technology, and plenty of volunteers. Also, Soong's Augments were of different etnic backgrounds, e.g. Caucasian, African, and Asian, so it seems probable to me that the project was multi-national. Any thoughts on this?

 

[Christopher]

Here's an idea I'd like some feedback on: Maybe the embryos Soong took weren't created until well after Khan and his brethren were defeated? Could someone else have gotten the idea to create a race of physically perfect, genius super-soldiers to police the world? Who could have done this, and when?

Which is part of what I had in mind when I suggested the possibility that the term "Eugenics Wars," plural, encompassed additional conflicts beyond the one that ended in 1996. If there were multiple Eugenics Wars over the course of a couple of centuries, it would even resolve that glitch in "Doctor Bashir, I Presume" where the admiral says the Wars were 200 years earlier. (Well, not entirely, since he mentions Khan by name in the next sentence. But he could've been getting confused about which Eugenics War was when.)

Also, Soong's Augments were of different etnic backgrounds, e.g. Caucasian, African, and Asian, so it seems probable to me that the project was multi-national. Any thoughts on this?

Khan's people in "Space Seed" were ethnically diverse, despite TWOK's retcon that they were a bunch of blond Aryans. And within the context of the Trek Lit continuity, Project Chrysalis was very multinational, which bolsters the idea that the embryos featured in ENT were leftover Chrysalis inventory that was stored somewhere off-site, or perhaps rescued/stolen by one of the evacuating scientists, when the main facility was destroyed.

Come to think of it, Gary was pretty conscientious about making sure everyone got out alive before he blew the place. That extended to rescuing the kids even though he knew they were potentially dangerous. I'm not sure if there's room to fit this into the story as it's told, but maybe Gary knew about the embryos and had them beamed to safety too.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Now, that is tricky to reconcile with the EW novels' portrayal of the DY-100 as a top-secret project.

Hence the "toy" Talosian! Maybe it was no toy.

 

[Saquist]

QUESTION:

Does any of the Eugenics War books deal with what happened to general sports like Football, Basketball and Soccer? Or what happened to Rock groups , rap and R&B...in other words is it trying to bridge the gap between what was the modern day 21st century and what we know as Trek today?

 

[Christopher]

Uhh, no. The Eugenics Wars were over in 1996, before the 21st century began. The books came out in 2001-2. They were telling an alternate history, not projecting into the future.

 

[Greg Cox]

Uhh, no. The Eugenics Wars were over in 1996, before the 21st century began. The books came out in 2001-2. They were telling an alternate history, not projecting into the future.

Or, to be more exact, pretending that our history was the same as Star Trek's history.

But, yeah, Khan left the planet around 1996, so that's where the books ended. (I had to be careful not to refer to stuff that happened afterwards in the real world . . . .)

In the third book, the only pop culture stuff that was mentioned was a throwaway reference to the classic "Captain Proton" serials . . . .

 

[Galileo7]

Uhh, no. The Eugenics Wars were over in 1996, before the 21st century began. The books came out in 2001-2. They were telling an alternate history, not projecting into the future.

That is a valid point.

 

[Saquist]

Uhh, no. The Eugenics Wars were over in 1996, before the 21st century began. The books came out in 2001-2. They were telling an alternate history, not projecting into the future.

Or, to be more exact, pretending that our history was the same as Star Trek's history.

But, yeah, Khan left the planet around 1996, so that's where the books ended. (I had to be careful not to refer to stuff that happened afterwards in the real world . . . .)

In the third book, the only pop culture stuff that was mentioned was a throwaway reference to the classic "Captain Proton" serials . . . .

Mr Cox is there any plan to deal with the apparent loss of these cultural Giants by the time of 23rd century.

Sisko says there was a ceromony for the last game of baseball...but the question is...why?

 

[shanejayell]

Might wanna address that in a seperate thread, since it's not really EW focused.

 

[David cgc]

Mr Cox is there any plan to deal with the apparent loss of these cultural Giants by the time of 23rd century.

"Nobody pays any attention to you unless you swear every other word. You'll find it in all the literature of the period."
"For example?"
"Oh, the complete works of Jacqueline Susann, the novels of Harold Robbins...."
"Ah. The giants."

 

[Saquist]

Mr Cox is there any plan to deal with the apparent loss of these cultural Giants by the time of 23rd century.

"Nobody pays any attention to you unless you swear every other word. You'll find it in all the literature of the period."

That prediction has certainly come true?

 

[EJA]

An odd thing about the historical files Kirk reviews in the two EW novels is that they apparently contain detailed information regarding the development of the Botany Bay, and its theft by Khan. But in ENT and "Space Seed", Khan's escape and the existence of the Botany Bay was little more than a vague myth. Heck, when Kirk meets Gary at the end of the second book he says "My condolences regarding your cat", implying the files even mentioned the fact that Isis died just prior to Khan's escape, which I find a bit hard to swallow.

Also according to the books, Khan would have only been in his early 20s when he rose to power. How old were all his siblings active at that time?