SG-U – Visitation - (2x09) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Mr Awe]

^^ The undead crew were supposed to add to that sense of danger. But, because the plight of the colony was mostly offscrean, it lost a lot of the punch. Not that I wanted to be dragged through their misery, but the show doesn't really do "dose of danger". Whis is actually fine by me, their strength is the adventure of being on a grand mission. That is what they should play up.

Mr Awe

 

[Chaos Descending]

For a scientist, Rush is fairly well versed with Biblical stories.

What an odd comment to make. It's as if you think there's something mutually exclusive about those two things.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

For a scientist, Rush is fairly well versed with Biblical stories.

He went to church in the memory he was reliving in Human.

Believe it or not, there are plenty of scientists who go to church and believe in God.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Are the Marines happy, Greer was finally addressed as "Master Sergeant"

Unfortunately, they fucked it back up again by having Master Sergeant Greer refer to First Lieutenant Scott as a "Butter Bar Lieutenant". Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

For those who are going "WTF" over my comment, only a SECOND Lieutenant is a "butter bar", because of the gold color (yellow, like butter) of the single bar that makes up a 2nd Lt.'s rank insignia. A 1st Lieutenant has a silver bar. You never, ever, EVER refer to a 1st Lt. as a "butter bar" if you don't want some bad shit coming your way.

 

[bullethead]

They all died, so no reset button. (besides the shuttle being restored and returned to them)

Them dieing was the reset button. Aside from the shuttle, this episode could easily be taken out of the show and not affect anything.

 

[Mr Awe]

^^Yep, just like the other imaginary stuff that "happened".

A convoluted way to get a brand new shuttle.

 

[PsychoPere]

Voted "Average" purely due to Greer's scenes. Without those, it would've been 5 chevrons instead of 6.

 

[daddymouse]

Every episode can't be a rock- em- sock- em......... I liked it, but then, I'm pretty easy to please. It seems to me that this show has a way to go to reach its payoff, and there can't be fireworks every step of the way. Sometimes you just gotta go with the flow.

Just sayin.....

 

[PsychoPere]

I don't think there are very many of us, if indeed any, who are asking for "rock- em sock- em" episodes. We are, however, asking for reasons to care about characters, especially if those characters are going to receive as much focus as they did in this episode and are going to be killed. I, for one, was not provided a single reason to care about any of the shuttle returnees, either in this episode or by the time they had settled on their so-called "Eden" back in "Faith." In fact, the only one of those characters I had a reaction to was Caine, and I didn't care whether he survived or died - I wanted him to die because he was too damned annoying. Hell, when we saw his memory of everyone freezing to death in the damaged shuttle, my only thought was "serves them right for being so stupid as to stay there." I doubt that was the sort of feeling the writers wanted to evoke, yet it was all their writing was able to provide for me.

 

[Corran Horn]

They all died, so no reset button. (besides the shuttle being restored and returned to them)

Them dieing was the reset button. Aside from the shuttle, this episode could easily be taken out of the show and not affect anything.

well, I don't agree. Having the castaways rejoin them (and thus their 'leaving' having no consequences) would've been a reset, in my eyes.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

It's not a reset in the way I usually think of it since the characters still remember what happened, and for TJ it may have proven to have some lingering effect. Is it a reset anytime they end up back on Destiny at the end of an episode?

The whole thing with Chloe was very off putting because it had nothing to do with *anything* else that was happening and the whole thing felt painfully forced and out of place. It was as if those scenes were lifted from a later episode and shoved in here because this show was coming in under the minimum required running time.

Both storylines deal with familiar crewmembers transitioning from what they were to something else. Both were initiated by cryptic alien processes. Both situations are unsettling and frightening for similar reasons to the remaining crew. I don't know that they're completely unrelated.

 

[B.J.]

Are the Marines happy, Greer was finally addressed as "Master Sergeant"

Unfortunately, they fucked it back up again by having Master Sergeant Greer refer to First Lieutenant Scott as a "Butter Bar Lieutenant". Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

For those who are going "WTF" over my comment, only a SECOND Lieutenant is a "butter bar", because of the gold color (yellow, like butter) of the single bar that makes up a 2nd Lt.'s rank insignia. A 1st Lieutenant has a silver bar. You never, ever, EVER refer to a 1st Lt. as a "butter bar" if you don't want some bad shit coming your way.

The way I read that scene, he did that intentionally, but not maliciously. He was trying to get Scott to *listen* and *think* about what's going on, and he said that in order to really get Scott's attention.

 

[Starbreaker]

I'm enjoying the show again. Finally getting some interesting ideas.

 

[Scout101]

The way I read that scene, he did that intentionally, but not maliciously. He was trying to get Scott to *listen* and *think* about what's going on, and he said that in order to really get Scott's attention.

I'm with the crowd that thinks it was a mistake more than anything. If you're trying to use an insulting term for his rank, it should probably be the correct rank. He was trying for anger/shock value, not random confusion.

To use a Star Trek example, Captain Wesley *teasingly* mocked Kirk by calling him Captain Dunsel in The Ultimate Computer. Lt. Commander Dunsel wouldn't really have been as good an insult...

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Are the Marines happy, Greer was finally addressed as "Master Sergeant"

Unfortunately, they fucked it back up again by having Master Sergeant Greer refer to First Lieutenant Scott as a "Butter Bar Lieutenant". Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

For those who are going "WTF" over my comment, only a SECOND Lieutenant is a "butter bar", because of the gold color (yellow, like butter) of the single bar that makes up a 2nd Lt.'s rank insignia. A 1st Lieutenant has a silver bar. You never, ever, EVER refer to a 1st Lt. as a "butter bar" if you don't want some bad shit coming your way.

The way I read that scene, he did that intentionally, but not maliciously. He was trying to get Scott to *listen* and *think* about what's going on, and he said that in order to really get Scott's attention.

In the mid-season finale, Greer shamefully has to acknowledge the pain color blindness has played in his life.

 

[Scout101]

 

[Peter the Younger]

Eh, it was alright, the best thing being the deeper insights into Greer's character. I like it when they play with notions of faith and "sufficiently advanced" technology, but in this case the powers of the aliens felt a little too hocus pocus to me. The best explanation I can come up with for what happened to the Eden colonists would be some sort of subatomic "temporal rewind" technology, but then I would expect the shuttle to revert to it's decayed state as well (I gotta admit, if they do that in a future episode, it would be very cool.)

 

[Captain Shaw]

I would expect the shuttle to revert to it's decayed state as well (I gotta admit, if they do that in a future episode, it would be very cool.)

With Chloe on board.

 

[Kaijima]

Theory: what if the aliens' intent is to help Destiny succeed in its mission, but they're not too picky about all the human details along the way?

Perhaps the alien intervention with TJ stabilized her and saved her life because she's the only doctor, and the aliens calculate the human crew needs a doctor above almost everything. Then with the shuttle, the aliens realize Destiny requires a shuttle, so they scoop up and restore the shuttle - and the restored people are basically a side effect? They're not required to last, so they don't.

Also, this episode didn't have a reset button because the returnees died. It mattered, because now we know the fate of the physical world Eden colonists: darkly enough, they all died. This means they've been firmly removed from returning as normal people.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Eh, it was alright, the best thing being the deeper insights into Greer's character. I like it when they play with notions of faith and "sufficiently advanced" technology, but in this case the powers of the aliens felt a little too hocus pocus to me. The best explanation I can come up with for what happened to the Eden colonists would be some sort of subatomic "temporal rewind" technology, but then I would expect the shuttle to revert to it's decayed state as well (I gotta admit, if they do that in a future episode, it would be very cool.)

If you buy into the explanations as presented in the episode the aliens could restore the shuttle without consequence because it doesn't have a soul.