"Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel)

[Kegg]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Not that I'm defending the movie, but the guy is being a prick about 'defending' her. The subtext is pretty obvious that she's a wallflower who couldn't possibly protect herself.

and the movie is directed by David Gordon Green, who before directing "Pineapple Express" directed some of the most mature, thoughtful, and strikingly shot critically acclaimed indie movies of the past ten years.

And yet a single funny bit couldn't be found the movie to put into the trailer. I mean this dalogue is every half-assed incompetent American comedy shtick that gets produced every year, on the button, as constant as the Northern Star and as charming as a steaming pile of mucus.

Yeah... something with comedic moments this bad and acting this stale in their highlight reel is not something I'd leave hopes out for being salvaged. Green would not be the first nor the last director who'd gone from promising non-Hollywood fare to dubious Hollywood fare.

I ddn't see the Wolverine: Origins movie, for example, but I have widely heard it is not a particularly good film. But y'know what was good? Tsotsi.

There's a straight line from La Haine to Babylon A.D.. These things happen.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Not that I'm defending the movie, but the guy is being a prick about 'defending' her. The subtext is pretty obvious that she's a wallflower who couldn't possibly protect herself.

This.

In fact, the opposite situation would be not this:

A woman offers to protect a man, and for the audacity of being attracted to him and wanting to protect him, the man "comically" beats the living daylights out of the woman.

But this: a snobbish, overbearing woman offers to prepare the dinner since the man, being obviously an uncouth brute, can't be able do so himself, and for the audacity of it he "comically" prepares and presents a wonderful dinner, including coordinated mauve tablecloth and napkins.

Would it be funny. Yes.

It's called "playing with stereotypes".

 

[3D Master]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Not that I'm defending the movie, but the guy is being a prick about 'defending' her. The subtext is pretty obvious that she's a wallflower who couldn't possibly protect herself.

And you think that makes it okay to beat someone into a bloody pulp. Right.

Besides which, if making himself out to be better and stronger than he is to impress a girl was "being a prick", then every single man in existence has been a prick and deserves beating into the ground.

Not that I'm defending the movie, but the guy is being a prick about 'defending' her. The subtext is pretty obvious that she's a wallflower who couldn't possibly protect herself.

This.

In fact, the opposite situation would be not this:

A woman offers to protect a man, and for the audacity of being attracted to him and wanting to protect him, the man "comically" beats the living daylights out of the woman.

But this: a snobbish, overbearing woman offers to prepare the dinner since the man, being obviously an uncouth brute, can't be able do so himself, and for the audacity of it he "comically" prepares and presents a wonderful dinner, including coordinated mauve tablecloth and napkins.

Would it be funny. Yes.

It's called "playing with stereotypes".

Except of course, that it is nowhere near the same thing. First of, making dinner isn't beating someone up. Second, she didn't beat him up to show she's able to defend herself, she beat him up because she felt like it.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Movies make fun of violence all the time. Didn't Mike Tyson beat the snot out of some dude in The Hangover to uproarious laughter from many moviegoers? Where was the outrage over watching someone bigger, stronger, and trained to fight clobbering a weaker, more defenseless person?

Maybe movies shouldn't make fun of violence. But they do. So we're talking about a much bigger issue than getting a few laughs from watching Natalie Portman pretending to beat up some guy in some lame fantasy-based comedy film.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

And you think that makes it okay to beat someone into a bloody pulp. Right.

Do you realize that violence that occurs in movies is not real, right? Distinguishing fiction from reality is a useful skill.

Besides which, if making himself out to be better and stronger than he is to impress a girl was "being a prick", then every single man in existence has been a prick and deserves beating into the ground.

I think a guy that needs to make himself out to be better and stronger than he is to impress girls must be a very hollow man, and looking for very shallow girls. Your mileage may vary, of course.

It's called "playing with stereotypes".

Except of course, that it is nowhere near the same thing. First of, making dinner isn't beating someone up. Second, she didn't beat him up to show she's able to defend herself, she beat him up because she felt like it.

Humour. It is a difficult concept, I know.

 

[3D Master]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Movies make fun of violence all the time. Didn't Mike Tyson beat the snot out of some dude in The Hangover to uproarious laughter from many moviegoers? Where was the outrage over watching someone bigger, stronger, and trained to fight clobbering a weaker, more defenseless person?

Maybe movies shouldn't make fun of violence. But they do. So we're talking about a much bigger issue than getting a few laughs from watching Natalie Portman pretending to beat up some guy in some lame fantasy-based comedy film.

No, you're wrong.

Movies make fun of violence AGAINST MEN.

See if you can find a movie that makes fun of violence against women in the last two to three decades or so. You won't find it. Hell, you probably won't find it in earlier decades either.

The reason why this time it's so much more egregious, because it is a woman beating up a man that has the audacity to talk to her, and like her, and never did a single thing worth getting beat up over.

By contrast, in The Hangover - they were thieves, burglars and thus criminals.

And you think that makes it okay to beat someone into a bloody pulp. Right.

Do you realize that violence that occurs in movies is not real, right? Distinguishing fiction from reality is a useful skill.

Of course violence in films isn't real. However, that has in no way shape or form got anything to do with whether or not characters are likeable. A character beats up another person for no reason whatsoever, that character is no longer likable.

On top of that, the violence my not be real, but underlying sexist bias most certainly is.

Besides which, if making himself out to be better and stronger than he is to impress a girl was "being a prick", then every single man in existence has been a prick and deserves beating into the ground.

I think a guy that needs to make himself out to be better and stronger than he is to impress girls must be a very hollow man, and looking for very shallow girls. Your mileage may vary, of course.

And that's got what to do with the topic. You think it's okay to beat up what you claim are "hollow men" or something? Seriously attacking something that is not part of the topic is weak arguing.

It's called "playing with stereotypes".

Except of course, that it is nowhere near the same thing. First of, making dinner isn't beating someone up. Second, she didn't beat him up to show she's able to defend herself, she beat him up because she felt like it.

Humour. It is a difficult concept, I know.

Humor isn't a difficult concept. Realizing when something isn't funny when you've been conditioned from birth to seeing it as funny, that's difficult.

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

The reason why this time it's so much more egregious, because it is a woman beating up a man that has the audacity to talk to her, and like her, and never did a single thing worth getting beat up over.

Maybe, maybe not. Kind of hard to say just given the preview. We have no idea what kind of people these characters are or their relationship prior to this scene. The man could be a total jackass.


I could be wrong (been a while since I've seen them), but I'm fairly certain the Scary Movie series has women getting beat up by men. Whether it is successful in being funny is really up to your sense of humor, but it's definitely out there.

 

[Captain Craig]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

I'm just enjoying reading how blown out of proportion this has become.
Mole Hill(if even that) = Mountain

 

[Kegg]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Besides which, if making himself out to be better and stronger than he is to impress a girl was "being a prick", then every single man in existence has been a prick and deserves beating into the ground.

Right there are actually two things wrong with this sentence and both of them pertain to broad generalizations.

The first is the extrapolation that because in the obvious subtext of the clip from the movie that the guy is being a prick that any guy who has claimed to be "better and stronger than he is" is a prick.

You know I don't even think he's claiming that. In all likelihood he's a strong enough character, who can say. But you certainly don't have grounds to suggest I was saying every man in a similar situation was being jerkish.

The second, obviously, was the assertion was every man has said something similar or equivalent, which candidly I've never done.

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

And if we're going to start taking this sort of slapstick violence seriously, what about the bit where he falls down the steps in full armor?

Oh dear, that looked like a serious fall! He could have broken a limb or possibly suffered a concussion. And given the sorry state of medieval medicine, we could be talking infection and gangrene. He's just undergone serious physical trauma, by god. There's nothing funny about it!

Seriously, I doubt that he needs to go to the emergency room after Natalie beats him up. Chances are, he springs up like a jack-in-the-box and is perfectly fine the very next scene . . . .

 

[sojourner]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

^yea, I'd hate to watch Bugs Bunny cartoons with some of these guys.

 

[TheBrew]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

I didn't know Hermiod had come back.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

No, you're wrong.

Movies make fun of violence AGAINST MEN.

See if you can find a movie that makes fun of violence against women in the last two to three decades or so. You won't find it. Hell, you probably won't find it in earlier decades either.

The reason why this time it's so much more egregious, because it is a woman beating up a man that has the audacity to talk to her, and like her, and never did a single thing worth getting beat up over.

By contrast, in The Hangover - they were thieves, burglars and thus criminals.

Ohhh ... so it's okay to beat up on weaker thieves, burglars and criminals ... but not offensive, chauvinistic men? This is becoming funnier than the movie could ever hope to be.

 

[Captain Craig]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

^^^^
Which is why I've been enjoying it.
I can't believe how ludicrous the tangent has become off that one 6 second scene.
It's a COMEDY not a Biopic movie for crying out loud.

Like Greg said [paraphrase] are we going to pick the whole trailer apart and apply it seriously in a real world context?[/paraprase]
The Buttfucking comment?
The drug use?
Being a voyeuer/peeping tom?
The masturbating?
It could just go on and on and on.

 

[Aragorn]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who's seen his posts before.

 

[3D Master]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Ohhh ... so it's okay to beat up on weaker thieves, burglars and criminals ... but not offensive, chauvinistic men? This is becoming funnier than the movie could ever hope to be.

Criminals are criminals.

"Offensive chauvinistic men" are not.

The morals of some people here frighten me.

 

[Captain Craig]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

^^^
The lack of separation you're displaying for fictional comedy vs real world advocacy is scary.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Ohhh ... so it's okay to beat up on weaker thieves, burglars and criminals ... but not offensive, chauvinistic men? This is becoming funnier than the movie could ever hope to be.

Criminals are criminals.

"Offensive chauvinistic men" are not.

The morals of some people here frighten me.

Well, yeah, teh intrwebz can be mitey, mitey scaree.

BOO!

EDIT:

This appears pretty misogynistic to me:

He looked at Vina for a few seconds, then said, without so much as a grain of pity or regret in his voice, “Sorry.” A split second later his sword was impaled in her heart. She didn’t even have time to scream; only a few gurgles left her mouth.

Source (linked from 3D Master's Story Homepage)

How can such violence against women be tolerated in a work of fiction?

 

[3D Master]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Ohhh ... so it's okay to beat up on weaker thieves, burglars and criminals ... but not offensive, chauvinistic men? This is becoming funnier than the movie could ever hope to be.

Criminals are criminals.

"Offensive chauvinistic men" are not.

The morals of some people here frighten me.

Well, yeah, teh intrwebz can be mitey, mitey scaree.

BOO!

EDIT:

This appears pretty misogynistic to me:

He looked at Vina for a few seconds, then said, without so much as a grain of pity or regret in his voice, “Sorry.” A split second later his sword was impaled in her heart. She didn’t even have time to scream; only a few gurgles left her mouth.

Source (linked from 3D Master's Story Homepage)

How can such violence against women be tolerated in a work of fiction?

Exactly where did I advocate that violence can't be used in a work of fiction, let alone violence in a drama that is dramatic?

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: "Your Highness" red band trailer (Natalie Portman, Zooey Deschanel

Ohhh ... so it's okay to beat up on weaker thieves, burglars and criminals ... but not offensive, chauvinistic men? This is becoming funnier than the movie could ever hope to be.

Criminals are criminals.

"Offensive chauvinistic men" are not.

The morals of some people here frighten me.

To paraprase Mae West, "Morals have nothing do with it."

Comedy isn't respectable or moral or even polite.

And characterizing the goofy, screw-ups in THE HANGOVER as "criminals" also seems to be taking a bawdy, anarchic comedy way too seriously!