Jesse Ventura, you don't know a thing!

[Rush Limborg]

....this is the situation you have placed Glenn Beck in--via a COMEDY show, which, characteristic of comedy shows, twists words and events to get laughs.

I assume that you listen to Beck, so you should understand that there is no need for someone to spend a lot of time in order to selectively edit his statements to "create" the appearance of misleading or unsupported statements coming out of his mouth. If you missed it (or simply ignored it), just watch the clip. You'll see that pieces of video haven't been dishonestly spliced together in order to get a different meaning from Beck's intent. His own words, when lined up against the truth, are what makes him look foolish.

I suspected you would have this dismissive view of "The Daily Show". You probably don't watch and probably don't have a good grasp of comedy or irony, or perhaps you simply feel singed when your own political heroes and commentators get skewered.

"The Daily Show" doesn't need to "twist" people's words to create humor. The humor (for the most part) comes as a result of pointing out how necessary it is for these officials, politicians, and commentators to TWIST reality themselves in order to arrive at their own words and logic. Running clips side by side of what someone says one day, compared to what that same person said or did the previous week ( ... we're talking about you, Larry Craig...) is a pretty effective way to cut through the fog and deception.

Quite a few people do not seem to appreciate that comedy (yes- COMEDY!) has been used quite effectively historically as a commentary to cut through the smoke and spin of politics to expose hypocrisy and lies. For the most part, I think Stewart handles things responsibly in how he exposes the liars and hypocrites. Ironically, even on a comedy show, he seems to have more respect for the truth than Beck or Limbaugh (or Ed Schultz or Leslie Marshall over on progressive radio).

It is indeed sad that we might need to go to a comedy show to see hypocrisy and lies exposed. I wish there were a more powerful, universally accepted source for pointing out this crap to consumers of news. We sure do need it.

Well let me give you an example of Jon Stewart using selective facts.

Not long ago, Bill O'Reilly commented on his FOX News show on Andy Griffith's commercials for the new Heath Care law. He made a reference to a character on the Andy Griffith Show, intending to refer to Andy's girlfirend in the show, and unintentionally said the name of a different character, labeling said character as Andy's girlfriend.

Jon Stewart, of course, called him out on it.

There's just one problem--in the same episode of the Factor, a couple segments later, O'Reilly corrected his mistake.

Frankly, if you'll condemn Beck for (allegedly) making a factual mistake--Stewart deserves even more condemnation, for failing to do his research when it was right in front of him.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Isn't it? How many times has he challenged his listeners, "Do NOT accept anything I say--do your own homework"?

He is human. Of COURSE he would make mistakes--which is why he constantly gives that warning.

It would simply be nice if he would be responsible by taking his own advice and go do some homework himself.

Coming to class, half-prepared to give a presentation, and then telling your audience "Do NOT accept anything I say-- please go home and read up on this subject yourself" is a sure fire way to get a failing grade in school (It actually sounds like the Bart Simpson way of giving a presentation.... ).

I guess I expect more of a commentator if I am going to take him seriously in helping me to understand the world.


Well, as Dennis Miller would say (a guy who is a conservative and IS funny), "I am outta here......"

Again--as a talk show hosts who is on the air four hours a day, five days a week, for years--it is only natural that, in the rush of information, in all the years of broadcasting, that someone would make a factual error.

That is why he gave his caveat--because everyone makes minor mistakes like that, mistakes which have no bearing whatsoever on the actual point someone is trying to make.

As for "holding the document in his hands", Glenn noted on his show--when Chris Matthews had a big cow over all this--that technically, he did not hold the document "in his hands". He had meant it as a figure of speech. In reality, the archives people had taken the document out, and held it in front of him.

BTW...it's worth noting that no one has ever called him out factually on the more important claims he has made--such as those concerning George Soros--the claims which, if refuted, would destroy his point.

On that note...the fact the Beck's detractors are so obsessed with something so minor...gos to show how accurate he must be on his actual claims.

 

[KJbushway]

One more point, Fox news if full of these kind of people. Hannity said qoute for qoute" Liberals hate the freedom of speech". Really? Thats a generalization that is far from the truth. Need I mention people like Bill Maher, Micheal Moore, poeple in this forum.

Back on topic,
In the first season apparently Ventura tried to say that the U.S government has a weather control machine. Do you think he just pissed off royally, any people from New Orleans?

 

[Rush Limborg]

One more point, Fox news if full of these kind of people. Hannity said qoute for qoute" Liberals hate the freedom of speech". Really? Thats a generalization that is far from the truth. Need I mention people like Bill Maher, Micheal Moore, poeple in this forum.

I recommend you look up what Jay Rockefeller has said about cable news, this week. Better, look at the Huffington Post article on it, and read the reviews. You'd be surprised how many libs are saying, "I'd be willing to give up MSNBC, if it means shutting down 'FAUX' NEWS!!!" (Please, that stupid misspelling is getting old.), or "Bring back the Fairness Doctrine!"

And there's also "Net Neutrality!"

Back on topic,
In the first season apparently Ventura tried to say that the U.S government has a weather control machine. Do you think he just pissed off royally, any people from New Orleans?

I'd imagine so. He seems to love pissing off everyone, as a rule--Left and Right.

 

[KJbushway]

I know libs are saying that, but what Hannity said was a generalization. That generalization was wrong, most libs I have heard and meant love freedom of speech for the most part. Yeah I looked at the reviews, I mostly saw people agreeing with the guy(though saying he shouldn't have just said Fox), that fox news is BS central. How long has it been since you last visited the replies? Now I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, now some people go really far with it, on both sides, it just looks bad that its seems that they all live in one network.

Well I'm actually surprised no-one said on his team, hey dude, I don't think people would appreciate that. Maybe its one of those things nobody thinks ahead of time before saying. That shows that his audience isn't that big and thats why I wonder how he got a second season.

 

[Rush Limborg]

I know libs are saying that, but what Hannity said was a generalization. That generalization was wrong, most libs I have heard and meant love freedom of speech for the most part. Yeah I looked at the reviews, I mostly saw people agreeing with the guy(though saying he shouldn't have just said Fox), that fox news is BS central. How long has it been since you last visited the replies?

Just yesterday.

Now I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, now some people go really far with it, on both sides, it just looks bad that its seems that they all live in one network.

So...you don't think MSNBC is guilty of what you accuse FOX of?

Well I'm actually surprised no-one said on his team, hey dude, I don't think people would appreciate that. Maybe its one of those things nobody thinks ahead of time before saying. That shows that his audience isn't that big and thats why I wonder how he got a second season.

You're...talking about Ventura, this time? Then I agree.

But still...it's possible a lot of people are just viewing him for entertainment.

 

[KJbushway]

I don't personally watch MSNBC, I have occasionally watched Racheal Maddow, but I do my own homework. I watch Bill Maher, Larry King, and yes CNN.
But I don't get my core information just from TV. I use it as a basis for my homework.

Maybe its an idea that someone make a thread that settles on Extreme things said in these networks such as Fox and MSNBC. This way people get full circle.


People can watch him for entertainment, its a possibility. I just hope poeple don't watch Conspiracy Thoery for truth. Now people are out there that absolutely believe in what he is saying, maybe there is more of them than we think? They wouldn't bring back the show for just 100,000 people.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Well, on Ventura...you'd be suprised how many of Those People I've met, who say with a straight face that 9/11 was clearly an inside job, because, "If you look at the video of the towers falling, it LOOKS LIKE a demolition!"

It's a disturbing movement--and suprisingly influential. Even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a "Darnned Truther"!

Hey--just so you know, should you ever encounter one of Those People, make sure you're equipped with the article from Popular Mechanics, which adresses all the "claims" of the standard-issue 9/11 conspiracy non-theory.

Here's an example: Those People will say with a straight face that "there wasn't any wreckage of a plane after the so-called attack on the Pentagon!"

P.M., among other things, shows a photo of...plane wreckage on the lawn of the Pentagon.

It also takes hold of Ventura's favorite "point" about Tower Seven, which seemingly collapsed of its own accord (this "evidence" has recently found new life--even some of the 9/11 families are falling for this!). P.M. proves why this was not the case.

Trust me...expect Those People to respond to this by claiming that somehow Popular Mechanics was "in" on the conspiracy!

 

[Robert D. Robot]

Well let me give you an example of Jon Stewart using selective facts.

Not long ago, Bill O'Reilly commented on his FOX News show on Andy Griffith's commercials for the new Heath Care law. He made a reference to a character on the Andy Griffith Show, intending to refer to Andy's girlfirend in the show, and unintentionally said the name of a different character, labeling said character as Andy's girlfriend.

Jon Stewart, of course, called him out on it.

There's just one problem--in the same episode of the Factor, a couple segments later, O'Reilly corrected his mistake.

Frankly, if you'll condemn Beck for (allegedly) making a factual mistake--Stewart deserves even more condemnation, for failing to do his research when it was right in front of him.

Just to remind you, I do tune in somewhat regularly to Glenn Beck's segments just to make sure that I am hearing his own words direct from his mouth- so not to rely completely on anyone else to tell me what he said. So I am familiar with the "occasional" "minor mistakes" he has with facts. I also appreciate the implications of the fact that the example that you give of someone's willingness to correct their mistake on-air is from Bill O'Reilly, not from Glenn Beck.

But.... just so I have got this right....

Example 1A) Glenn Beck lies to his audience of U.S. taxpayers that they are paying $200 million per day for the President's trip to India, stating that Obama is also dragging along 34 U.S. warships, while also implying that the Prez may be frivolously making the trip primarily to see their "Festival of Lights".

Example 1B) Jon Stewart lies to his audience of U.S. taxpayers by completely ignoring the fact that Bill O'Reilly had indeed corrected himself on his program after he incorrectly stated that Thelma Lou was Andy Taylor's girlfriend on "The Andy Griffith Show".



Please tell me that you are actually serious. Please say that you actually watched the entire Daily Show clip you reference and still perceive this to be equivalent to the weight of the misrepresentations in Beck's statement?

......Of all the examples you could find of Jon Stewart lying to the American people, this is the example you come up with?



Offered this comparison, I think I now have a much clearer understanding of the logic that leads Glenn's followers to dismiss his rather serious "factual mistakes" so casually. So I will get out of this thread and stop responding, which has served to keep taking the focus away from Jesse Ventura. Besides, I heard that Stephen Colbert lied last night on his program (He said that "The Munsters" lived at 1314 Mockingbird Lane), and I have to contemplate how this bit of misleading information is going to adversely impact the U.S. economy.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Well, that's got him outta the way...

Now--again, Glenn may have made a factual error, due to misinformation. I personally have yet to see any refutations to the effect of how much the trip really cost--from you, or the government.

Jon simply didn't watch the entire show he was criticizing.

 

[KJbushway]

Another set off people has pissed off from his show?
Ventura did a segment on if the recession was controlled, just how many people did he just piss there,
The poor
Newly homeless
8 million of those out of jobs people
wrecked families
wow, thats a lot of people he just pissed off.

 

[Rush Limborg]

^Honestly? Ventura has made a living out of pissing everybody off. Ironically, this is what his loyal following likes him for.

Just look at all the YouTube spam: "Jesse Ventura is HONEST! He's not afraid to take on the LIERS! He talks over people because they're IDIOTS!"

 

[Lookingglassman]

He might make people mad, but he still looks like a fool when he never proves any of his wild conspiracy theories.

 

[Listener4]

Why would the poor and homeless be mad at Jesse Ventura? Is he the one responsible for high unemployment and inflation?

The information he presents aren't his own theories nor are they new. There's a tremendous amount of material dealing with many of the subjects he talks about.

Alex Jones is one of my personal heroes. The kind of information people like Jones and Ventura present is widely ridiculed. I don't have a problem that people disagree with them, what I find disturbing is that this information is almost nowhere to be found on television. Finally, an alternative viewpoint is getting some airtime.

 

[Nowhere Man]

Another set off people has pissed off from his show?
Ventura did a segment on if the recession was controlled, just how many people did he just piss there,
The poor
Newly homeless
8 million of those out of jobs people
wrecked families
wow, thats a lot of people he just pissed off.

I wouldn't say the Recession was controlled, but that's not to say it wasen't brought on by people who knew the consequences of their action would eventually lead to a Recession. Those people knew it was coming and did nothing to stop it because they were too busy getting rich. That includes Congress.

 

[KJbushway]

^Honestly? Ventura has made a living out of pissing everybody off. Ironically, this is what his loyal following likes him for.

Just look at all the YouTube spam: "Jesse Ventura is HONEST! He's not afraid to take on the LIERS! He talks over people because they're IDIOTS!"

He talks over people because he has a big ego.
I could very easily win in a intellectual conversation with the guy. He became governor, doesn't mean he is smart. The guy hasn't presented a intellectual argument in any of his conspiracies. Ancient Aliens presents good arguments and don't say things that create drama like "Governor(why call him that if he is no longer that?) they want you dead."
Jesse Ventura is only honest when he rights his name.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I've seen a few episodes of the series now and have to admit while it doesn't really offer up anything new in terms of the "conspiracies" it covers it is entertaining and the discussions interesting. The structure of the show is the same pretty much that all "reality" series have with the dramatic music and pacing of the show. Don't know anything about the "investigators" that Jesse has on the show either.

 

[KJbushway]

His show is on TruTv which doesn't have anything true on it other than Worlds dumbest, most daring, court shows, forensic files.
I believe in his crap just as much as I believe southern fried stings is real.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ So why watch it if you hate it or him? Unless you yourself are looking for attention?

 

[KJbushway]

I started to watch in the beginning, but before the 3rd episode even aired I was fed up with his crap. I wanted to see if anybody actually believed in this guy and if anybody shared my opinion. Call that anything you wish.