You think Ahab wanted to rape that Whale?
"Before and After", timelines and "Year of Hell"
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
- Start date
It's been years since I've taken as English Lit. class but wasn't the fact it was a white sperm whale a metaphor for Ahab trying to regain his masculinity and his wooden leg a metaphor for the whale raping him and taking his manhood?
Isn't that Picard's inner issues with the Borg taking him?
Picard was overt, oblique and obvious... It was practically superliminal (Think about it, I've used this word before.).
Assimilation is rape big time.
(Have you seen TNG Family recently?)
(In Voyager Seven acted like it was rape when Janeway started stripping her technology, and more so when that blonde guy MIGHT have been stealing her technology in Retropect.)
Locutus destroying most of the fleet more so.
(I was wondering if Seven (and the kids) would call him "Locutus" instinctually like Hugh did back in I, Borg?)
I decided a while back that if you can murder in self defence, then there's a sort of legal grace if someone tries to steal from you and/or rape you that you can (possibly if you feel like it) rape that person (which is very unlikely, but it's nice to know you have options and control. Can yu rape a rapist trying to rape you? Surely attempted rape is "consent"?) in self defence, but if some punk tries to take my wallet, they'll be lucky I don't take their eyes AND their wallet rather than accept being a victim by someone I can probably defenistrate.
Assimilation is rape big time.
(Have you seen TNG Family recently?)
(In Voyager Seven acted like it was rape when Janeway started stripping her technology, and more so when that blonde guy MIGHT have been stealing her technology in Retropect.)
Locutus destroying most of the fleet more so.
(I was wondering if Seven (and the kids) would call him "Locutus" instinctually like Hugh did back in I, Borg?)
I decided a while back that if you can murder in self defence, then there's a sort of legal grace if someone tries to steal from you and/or rape you that you can (possibly if you feel like it) rape that person (which is very unlikely, but it's nice to know you have options and control. Can yu rape a rapist trying to rape you? Surely attempted rape is "consent"?) in self defence, but if some punk tries to take my wallet, they'll be lucky I don't take their eyes AND their wallet rather than accept being a victim by someone I can probably defenistrate.
The Littlest Ocampan started turning into a god just after the met 7 of nine in season 3/4. Voyager couldn't handle the physical stress of all her molecule bending super powers running through their teething tantrums (Imagine the Kent Farmhouse began looking like Swiss cheese after the boy of steel finds out how to use his blue steel. same difference.). For the good of the crew and the structural integrity of the ship (which was now allergic to Kes, read that how you will.) she apotheosizes and floats off into space as an energy cloud cosmic fart. As an afterthought in this episode: "The Gift", Kes gifted Voyager a 10 thousand light year bunny hop to the other side of Borg space and relative safety.
Bye bye Kes. bye Bye Jennifer.
3 years later in Fury, senile, in old woman make up, Kes attacks Voyager claiming they were all (metaphorical) paedophiles and that they used her and THAT SHE WOULD SHOW THEM!!! Kes killed B'Elanna on the way to engineering to use/drain the warp core to power up a jump back in time to day 56 of their mission home where she tries to kidnap herself and feed the rest of the crew to the Vidiians. Janeway had no choice but to murder kes because she was a fucking idiot.
Old Kes died one side or the other from probably the 5th episode of season one.
the final minutes of Fury play out to a different (parallel but similar to the teaser in the beginning of the show where Kess attacks the ship and kills B'Elanna.) version of modern day where Janeway isn't surprised to be meet up with Old kes and had been anticipating this reunion for quite some time. Kathy shows Kes some voice mail from her younger self reminding the old coot that she's a dick and they all hug it out.
Old Kes flies off into the sunset.
But the Kes corpse from season one is still in a draw some where on Voyager.
Bye bye Kes. bye Bye Jennifer.
3 years later in Fury, senile, in old woman make up, Kes attacks Voyager claiming they were all (metaphorical) paedophiles and that they used her and THAT SHE WOULD SHOW THEM!!! Kes killed B'Elanna on the way to engineering to use/drain the warp core to power up a jump back in time to day 56 of their mission home where she tries to kidnap herself and feed the rest of the crew to the Vidiians. Janeway had no choice but to murder kes because she was a fucking idiot.
Old Kes died one side or the other from probably the 5th episode of season one.
the final minutes of Fury play out to a different (parallel but similar to the teaser in the beginning of the show where Kess attacks the ship and kills B'Elanna.) version of modern day where Janeway isn't surprised to be meet up with Old kes and had been anticipating this reunion for quite some time. Kathy shows Kes some voice mail from her younger self reminding the old coot that she's a dick and they all hug it out.
Old Kes flies off into the sunset.
But the Kes corpse from season one is still in a draw some where on Voyager.
Jesus did it way before that. A Muslim lad I used to live with explained to me that jC was a prophet who was raised to heaven to live alongside god before he died.
(I know, I know.)
Picard tried to turn into a cloud in the second or third episode.
Caligula tried to turn into a Cloud in Generations.
Dax fell in love with a Guy who's entire planet turned into a cloud.
Neelix's sister got turned into a cloud.
What the frick happened to Dekker at the end of the motion picture?
Zephram Chocrane ended up fucking a cloud.
It's almost like these future people couldn't help but turn into clouds.
(I know, I know.)
Picard tried to turn into a cloud in the second or third episode.
Caligula tried to turn into a Cloud in Generations.
Dax fell in love with a Guy who's entire planet turned into a cloud.
Neelix's sister got turned into a cloud.
What the frick happened to Dekker at the end of the motion picture?
Zephram Chocrane ended up fucking a cloud.
It's almost like these future people couldn't help but turn into clouds.
A more interesting question would be how Voyager survived the Year of Hell against the Krenim in "Before and After".
Surviving the Kremlin is easy. We literally saw almost dozens of realities where Janeway didn't get them all killed (yet. And there might of been hundreds we didn't see where Anorax resurrected Janeway affording her a doover.), and even in the final confrontation with Annorax, he was not truly a representative of the krenim indigenous to that timeline, infact considering he was raping krenim space over and over again Annorax was a billion times more the enemy of the Kremin Empire than Janeway could ever hope to be, and bringing that to the attention of the Knenin might just make Janeway their staunchest ally.
Though Annorax was quiet like about being the archfiend.
Janeway on the other hand has the habit of telling petty bureaucrats and security guards manning insignificant boarder outposts that they have tiny penises.
Try that at US or Iranian customs some time and wonder why some bugger with a clipboard is telling their intern to put their arm deeper into your bunghole?
Sure that sentry was an asshole already, but how is calling him a eunuch in any way going to ease the tension?
Voyager would have gotten through the year of hell scott free if Janeway had died Before they entered krenim Space because Chakotay or Tuvok would never be so foolish as to insult a man about his junk when he's armed to the gills while legally empowered and licensed to kill at whim.
Though Annorax was quiet like about being the archfiend.
Janeway on the other hand has the habit of telling petty bureaucrats and security guards manning insignificant boarder outposts that they have tiny penises.
Try that at US or Iranian customs some time and wonder why some bugger with a clipboard is telling their intern to put their arm deeper into your bunghole?
Sure that sentry was an asshole already, but how is calling him a eunuch in any way going to ease the tension?
Voyager would have gotten through the year of hell scott free if Janeway had died Before they entered krenim Space because Chakotay or Tuvok would never be so foolish as to insult a man about his junk when he's armed to the gills while legally empowered and licensed to kill at whim.
Well, the Krenim Captain attacked THEM when they entered after the Zahl had told them "It's okay to go through here". The "correct" timeline at the end has the Captain just say "We're kind of going through problems right now. Not really safe for you to go through. Sorry."
So Janeway says "Okey-Dokey" and they just go another way.
So if the Krenim guy hadn't been such a dick and attacked them without explaining then they'd just have left.
So Janeway says "Okey-Dokey" and they just go another way.
So if the Krenim guy hadn't been such a dick and attacked them without explaining then they'd just have left.
Exactlty!
Janeway only went through Krenim space because a "bully" told her not to. She's got such a shades of back to the future, hard on to be the hero, that she can't help martyring herself for even the most junior burger of causes a right minded adult would have the reservation to ignore and walk away from... Which is exactly what happened in Caretaker where she painted the kazon as a greater, more powerful and complicated evil than the Borg and Lex Luthor combined.
If Caretaker had been even a little bit rational, and given an honest appraisal of the kazon on that First (3rd) day, he would have said Hillbillies joyriding in falling apart ships their grand-parents stole in a coup who are in a constant 16 sided almost tribal civil war are... It's quite possible that She would have left because the Kazon arn't organized enough to set up a pissup in a brewery that it's hardly likely that they could have stolen more than a few bath tubs of the Ocampans water before internal conflict did them in.
She's like a bull who sees red.
(Colour blind, I know.)
She doesn't fight smart.
Janeway only went through Krenim space because a "bully" told her not to. She's got such a shades of back to the future, hard on to be the hero, that she can't help martyring herself for even the most junior burger of causes a right minded adult would have the reservation to ignore and walk away from... Which is exactly what happened in Caretaker where she painted the kazon as a greater, more powerful and complicated evil than the Borg and Lex Luthor combined.
If Caretaker had been even a little bit rational, and given an honest appraisal of the kazon on that First (3rd) day, he would have said Hillbillies joyriding in falling apart ships their grand-parents stole in a coup who are in a constant 16 sided almost tribal civil war are... It's quite possible that She would have left because the Kazon arn't organized enough to set up a pissup in a brewery that it's hardly likely that they could have stolen more than a few bath tubs of the Ocampans water before internal conflict did them in.
She's like a bull who sees red.
(Colour blind, I know.)
She doesn't fight smart.
Very true.A more interesting question would be how Voyager survived the Year of Hell against the Krenim in "Before and After".
With the massive amount of damage Voyager took during it, there is no way the structural damage could have been repaired to make it space worthy again.
Unless they landed and spent a few months fixing her up?
the smaller the planet, the smaler the moon, the easier it would be to get up and down if Voyager was feeling poorly.
They Built the Delta Flyer in less than a day.
Replicators make it easy.
They just have to use smaller replicators to build bigger replicators and so on, until they have an industrial replicator and then they can replace entire modules of Voyagers framework.
This isn't BSG.
the smaller the planet, the smaler the moon, the easier it would be to get up and down if Voyager was feeling poorly.
They Built the Delta Flyer in less than a day.
Replicators make it easy.
They just have to use smaller replicators to build bigger replicators and so on, until they have an industrial replicator and then they can replace entire modules of Voyagers framework.
This isn't BSG.
No.
In the oceans.
Deuterium, the so called main ingredient to their power generation is real. It's just Hydrogen which has been smashed and fiddled with in a super colider. Flying through space they just collect Hydrogen floating about and then process it (That's what the Bussard collectors are for.). The concentrations of Hydrogen on a planet, in oceans is unexplainably more massively plentiful than in the lifeless vacuum of the void.
So yes.
Voyager has a water powered engine technically.
In the oceans.
Deuterium, the so called main ingredient to their power generation is real. It's just Hydrogen which has been smashed and fiddled with in a super colider. Flying through space they just collect Hydrogen floating about and then process it (That's what the Bussard collectors are for.). The concentrations of Hydrogen on a planet, in oceans is unexplainably more massively plentiful than in the lifeless vacuum of the void.
So yes.
Voyager has a water powered engine technically.
Come on, you should know I understand all that already
but you can't replace structural damage such as support beams. That's considered a total loss, even in the Trek universe. Right?Only one that could fix that would be Kes.............but in the "B&A" future, her powers never progressed that far.
Similar threads
