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Doohan's protrayal of April didn't really strike me as English, just sort of stiff.

Well, it was as close to an English accent as Scotty's voice is to a Scottish accent. ;) At the very least, it was non-rhotic (the Rs weren't pronounced at the ends of words), which is usually enough to code an accent as "English" to American listeners.
 
For the record, it should be noted that Doohan's Scottish accent was never a garden variety brogue, it was specifically an Aberdeen accent, which is distinct from, say, Glasgow or Edinburgh. Craig Ferguson can gripe all he wants about how Doohan sounded Pakistani, but Billy Connolly said that Doohan's accent was, "not bad."
 
Isn't April supposed to be from the UK? I always thought Michael Palin would be a good choice for him.
The local free daily paper had a review of Unstoppable, and as I read it this morning, seeing Chris Pine and Denzel Washington together, made me think that Denzel would make an interesting Robert April in a future Star Trek movie.
 
For the record, it should be noted that Doohan's Scottish accent was never a garden variety brogue, it was specifically an Aberdeen accent,

No it bloody isn't. Aberdonian accents are a lot more singsong than that.

which is distinct from, say, Glasgow or Edinburgh. Craig Ferguson can gripe all he wants about how Doohan sounded Pakistani,

No he didn't sound Pakistani either, and that's usually what happens when someone tries a bad Welsh accent.

but Billy Connolly said that Doohan's accent was, "not bad."

I'm with the Big Yin on this one - Doohan's accent in the series is a pretty decent generic brogue - and who's to say the Scottish accents of the 23rd century will be the same as today's anyway.

It's only in the movies (and particularly for TSFS onward) that he seems to have forgotten how to do Scotty's accent and drifts ever more towards the Irish and out the other side...
 
^ Yeah, that'd make a certain segment of the fanbase scream bloody murder, that's for certain...
Why? Because he's a non-canonical character made canon? Really, people care that much about canon?

I think CRA means that some people would object to Denzel Washington playing a character previously established as white. I can buy that. I always met with fierce protests from a couple of people over in the general SF/Fantasy forum when I suggested Gina Torres as Wonder Woman (a role she's now voicing in the DC Universe Online MMORPG). And there were people who complained about the animated Spectacular Spider-Man making Liz Allan Hispanic and turning Ned Leeds into the Asian Ned Lee (among other ethnically reassigned characters like Fancy Dan, Jean DeWolff, and Dr. Bromwell).
 
Actually, Jonathan Frakes had lost weight since his last time in uniform.

How that compares to his weight at the time of "Pegasus" might be another matter...
 
For the record, it should be noted that Doohan's Scottish accent was never a garden variety brogue, it was specifically an Aberdeen accent,

No it bloody isn't. Aberdonian accents are a lot more singsong than that.

I'm taking Doohan at his word that he based it on a guy from Aberdeen he worked with during the war (for the first week he worked with him, he didn't understand a bloody word he said, so Doohan's version was heavily watered down), as well as the Wikipedia entry that Aberdonian accents are different than other areas of Scotland.

which is distinct from, say, Glasgow or Edinburgh. Craig Ferguson can gripe all he wants about how Doohan sounded Pakistani,
No he didn't sound Pakistani either, and that's usually what happens when someone tries a bad Welsh accent.
BTW, when Russell Crowe asked Anthony Hopkins about how to do a Welsh accent, Hopkins told him to start with a bad Indian accent and work it from there.

but Billy Connolly said that Doohan's accent was, "not bad."
I'm with the Big Yin on this one - Doohan's accent in the series is a pretty decent generic brogue - and who's to say the Scottish accents of the 23rd century will be the same as today's anyway.

It's only in the movies (and particularly for TSFS onward) that he seems to have forgotten how to do Scotty's accent and drifts ever more towards the Irish and out the other side...

This is glaringly apparent in the clip from "Secret of Vulcan's Fury" with Scotty doing a log entry, and not really sounding much like he did back in the day.
 
It's only in the movies (and particularly for TSFS onward) that he seems to have forgotten how to do Scotty's accent and drifts ever more towards the Irish and out the other side...
This is glaringly apparent in the clip from "Secret of Vulcan's Fury" with Scotty doing a log entry, and not really sounding much like he did back in the day.
The voice acting in The Secret of Vulcan's Fury would have been as incongruous as EA's From Russia With Love game was; Sean Connery five years ago sounded nothing like he did in the 1960s, and the mismatch between 60s Connery appearance and 00s Connery voice was cognitively dissonant. Vulcan's Fury would have had the same problem; beyond Doohan not using the same accent, Shatner's vocal delivery in the 90s was vastly different than his 60s vocal delivery. Vulcan's Fury with the staccato Kirk speech patterns would have been awesome, but Shatner doesn't (and didn't) talk like that any more.
 
Also, people's voices change over time, getting deeper and fuller with age. Shatner's voice now is significantly lower than it was 45 years ago, less nasal and more throaty. (Though maybe that was partly due to advances in recording technology as well; older or cruder recording tech that doesn't capture the deeper tones of the voice tends to make it sound more nasal.)

What I always found impressive, though, was that when Shatner did the "Restaurant Enterprise" sketch for Saturday Night Live in 1986, he actually did a very good job of recreating his TOS-era Kirk voice and delivery rather than using his movie-era Kirk voice. So I think Shatner still could play TOS-era Kirk's personality and mannerisms, even if he couldn't match the timbre anymore.
 
Well, there are differing claims on where Scotty comes from. He did call himself "an old Aberdeen pub-crawler" once, but he didn't say he was born there (unless you take the "crawler" part very literally). In Vulcan's Glory, D.C. Fontana pegged his birthplace as Linlithgow, a town near Edinburgh, and the town has put up a plaque commemorating itself as Scotty's future birthplace. DC's Who's Who in Star Trek said he was born in Glasgow.

Simon Pegg has concocted a Scotty backstory intended to reconcile all three claims. Basically, born in Linlithgow, youth spent in Aberdeen, higher schooling in Glasgow.
 
I think CRA means that some people would object to Denzel Washington playing a character previously established as white.
But is there anything about April that requires he be white? Is there anything that requires he be English?

I don't know that April will appear in a future movie. Honestly, I think that would be a fanwank bridge too far. But I don't think that, for a character that appeared in one animated episode that a vast majority of the audience will be wholly unfamiliar with, actors should be discounted because of racial, ethnic, or gender concerns. Cast the best actor, period. :)

As an example, years ago I wanted Dakota Fanning to play Ender if an Ender's Game movie were ever made. Chloe Moretz would be a really good choice for Ender now. Never mind that Orson Scott Card's Ender is a boy. I think a girl would fill the role better.

I always met with fierce protests from a couple of people over in the general SF/Fantasy forum when I suggested Gina Torres as Wonder Woman (a role she's now voicing in the DC Universe Online MMORPG).
Much like your own fierce protests when people have suggested Caucasian actresses for Trys in the casting threads, eh? ;)

Though I'm baffled that anyone would have issues with Gina Torres as Wonder Woman.
 
But is there anything about April that requires he be white? Is there anything that requires he be English?

Hey, argue with them, not me. I'm the one who's in favor of colorblind casting in those debates.

I guess it depends on whether April counts as a canonical character or not. As depicted in "The Counter-Clock Incident," he's white and English-accented, but the canon status of TAS is ambiguous.

Since the Abramsverse is supposed to be a different temporal branch of the same reality, rather than an independent reality like a film adaptation of a comic or a reboot like Galactica, presumably the characters should look basically the same, since they're supposed to be the same people biologically. (In the movie, Spock Prime recognized Kirk and Scotty on sight, so in-universe they look the same despite their differences to our eyes and ears.) So if TAS counts as "real," then April's ethnicity and nationality are established already.


I don't know that April will appear in a future movie. Honestly, I think that would be a fanwank bridge too far.

Yeah, I profoundly doubt he'd show up, unless it were a cameo or an Easter egg (like Adm. Komack and Capt. Chandra showing up in the background in ST'09). April isn't really that well-known a character outside of the dedicated fanbase, nor is he as major a part of Trek mythology as Pike.


As an example, years ago I wanted Dakota Fanning to play Ender if an Ender's Game movie were ever made. Chloe Moretz would be a really good choice for Ender now. Never mind that Orson Scott Card's Ender is a boy. I think a girl would fill the role better.

Well, sure, like I said, if it's an adaptation, that's a distinct reality and anything can be changed. But the conceit of the Abramsverse is that it branches off from the same reality, so anyone who was born before 2233 should be the same person they were in the Prime universe. It's a different standard.


Much like your own fierce protests when people have suggested Caucasian actresses for Trys in the casting threads, eh? ;)

Now, that's entirely different. We're not talking about casting an alternate version of the character for an adaptation, we're talking about finding a good match for how the character is intended to appear in the books.

Though I'm baffled that anyone would have issues with Gina Torres as Wonder Woman.

So am I. But some people seem to think that skin color outweighs everything else. They always say, "But she's Greek!" Which is wrong on at least three levels: 1) The mythical Amazons weren't Greek but were enemies of the Greeks; 2) The DC Universe Amazons are multiethnic and already have ethnically African members like Philippus; 3) Diana was molded from clay and given life by the gods, so genetics are kind of irrelevant here.
 
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