Avengers: EMH 1.1/1.2 "Breakout" pts 1&2
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Yes, I know. My point is that that's not a good enough reason in and of itself to do it the same way here. Slavish imitation is not the best way to adapt comics to the screen, because comics storylines tend to be meandering and unfocused. For instance, the way the alien symbiote story was told in Spider-Man comics was rather dull and lacking in suspense compared to the version from the '90s animated series, which had the symbiote corrupt Peter's morals rather than simply make him patrol in his sleep and drain his energy. It's no wonder that subsequent screen and TV adaptations have followed the animated series' lead rather than duplicating the comics' version. Because the original way a story was told isn't automatically the best way.
There was some great action animation here, very fluid and dynamic animation of the "dough monster" (I'll stick with that description since it's less icky than the alternatives). However, the design of the creatures' faces was goofy, and basically a copy of Bruce Timm's Clayface (a design I never cared for).
Why was Captain America still so convinced the Avengers were HYDRA agents even when he saw he was on Liberty Island? You'd think that seeing he was in America would've at least given him pause. And why was everyone (including the reporters and the villains) so quick to accept that it was the real Captain America rather than an impostor or robot or something?
I hope upcoming episodes focus more on Steve's adjustment and the evolving team dynamic. This one spent too much time with villains I'm unfamiliar with when I would've rather been watching the heroes.
Why was Captain America still so convinced the Avengers were HYDRA agents even when he saw he was on Liberty Island? You'd think that seeing he was in America would've at least given him pause. And why was everyone (including the reporters and the villains) so quick to accept that it was the real Captain America rather than an impostor or robot or something?
I hope upcoming episodes focus more on Steve's adjustment and the evolving team dynamic. This one spent too much time with villains I'm unfamiliar with when I would've rather been watching the heroes.
Oh, please, did you have to remind me of that?
I'm really liking this series. I wonder if they will bring back bucky as the
winter soldier at some point? Also will we see the return of the red skull?
winter soldier at some point? Also will we see the return of the red skull?
I doubt they would've established Bucky to the extent that they did if they didn't plan to bring him back at some point. And I'd say the Red Skull is a given.
Well, with "Everything is Wonderful," they're adding more Avengers mythology to the show, I guess. I know Simon Williams is Wonder Man, and I think I was aware that he had a history as a villain, but I'm wondering if this corporate-revenge motive was part of the original. Probably; this show seems reluctant to depart too much from the comics.
Interesting structure to the episode, with the different Avengers split up into their own various subplots that eventually converged. A good balance of action with character exploration and drama. It is a bit awkward, though, that the whole thing could've been avoided if Tony had just managed to get one more sentence out before Williams stormed off. Given what a fast talker this Downeyesque version of Tony is, it's a bit contrived that he never managed to say it until the end. Way to bury the lead, Tony.
Janet is still the most fun character on the show. I loved her entrance in AIM headquarters.
And it seems like this show is doing the same thing Iron Man: Armored Adventures had to do because of network censorship: instead of MODOK, this is MODOC, the Mental Organism Designed Only for Conquest, rather than the usual "for Killing." It's so silly that you can't even use the word "killing" in a kids' show by some networks' standards. And it's odd, given that this show is aired in prime time at 8:30, while Cartoon Network's Batman: The Brave and the Bold, airing an hour earlier and theoretically targeted at an even younger audience, is free to discuss and depict death.
Well, I guess it's not the first time a character's name has been censored in a cartoon. Teen Titans always referred to its arch-antagonist as Slade rather than Deathstroke. And Justice League Unlimited wasn't able to use the name "Suicide Squad," having to go with the alternate "Task Force X" label instead. I don't think they were able to refer to Deadshot as anything other than Floyd Lawton, though. And this was another CN show that was allowed to discuss or depict death on occasion. On the other hand, the '90s X-Men series on FOX was able to get away with "Lady Deathstrike," even though FOX's censorship on violence at the time was extremely tight due to Power Rangers backlash. Censorship rules can be arbitrary and weird.
Interesting structure to the episode, with the different Avengers split up into their own various subplots that eventually converged. A good balance of action with character exploration and drama. It is a bit awkward, though, that the whole thing could've been avoided if Tony had just managed to get one more sentence out before Williams stormed off. Given what a fast talker this Downeyesque version of Tony is, it's a bit contrived that he never managed to say it until the end. Way to bury the lead, Tony.
Janet is still the most fun character on the show. I loved her entrance in AIM headquarters.
And it seems like this show is doing the same thing Iron Man: Armored Adventures had to do because of network censorship: instead of MODOK, this is MODOC, the Mental Organism Designed Only for Conquest, rather than the usual "for Killing." It's so silly that you can't even use the word "killing" in a kids' show by some networks' standards. And it's odd, given that this show is aired in prime time at 8:30, while Cartoon Network's Batman: The Brave and the Bold, airing an hour earlier and theoretically targeted at an even younger audience, is free to discuss and depict death.
Well, I guess it's not the first time a character's name has been censored in a cartoon. Teen Titans always referred to its arch-antagonist as Slade rather than Deathstroke. And Justice League Unlimited wasn't able to use the name "Suicide Squad," having to go with the alternate "Task Force X" label instead. I don't think they were able to refer to Deadshot as anything other than Floyd Lawton, though. And this was another CN show that was allowed to discuss or depict death on occasion. On the other hand, the '90s X-Men series on FOX was able to get away with "Lady Deathstrike," even though FOX's censorship on violence at the time was extremely tight due to Power Rangers backlash. Censorship rules can be arbitrary and weird.
After the hugely epic opening two parter, I'm finding these single episodes to be good but not amazing. I think this show would have worked better with big two parters like the original Justice League toon.
Yeah, the Wasp is a lot of fun on this show. Anybody know if/when the Hulk comes back?
Yeah, the Wasp is a lot of fun on this show. Anybody know if/when the Hulk comes back?
I'm curious how the X-Men and Spidey will look and figure into this series. We already got a peek at Logan pre-Weapon X.
This may surprise you, but I actually prefer the lacK of a certain letter in his name. As depicted in the episode, he's far from a simple killing machine. Also, he states many times that he and AIM are determined to conquer the world, not kill it. If that was initially due to censorship, it certainly didn't take anything vital out of the story.
Depict death? You mean like the character-assassination porn that was "Epilogue"?
I'm probably the one person on Earth with that sentiment, and I'll admit that it tied logically into DCAU continuity, but I'll be damned to call it anything else than a gigantic *bleep*-you to fans of that series and of Terry himself.
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^Huh? No, I'm talking about actually depicting death. Like the alternate Superman killing President Luthor in "A Better World." (Well, not depicting it on camera, but having character deaths be part of a story.) You're going totally off-topic here.
In the original, competition from Stark Industries led to Simon's company (which was inherited, not self-made) losing value; Simon, on advice from his brother, embezzled money from his company, which led to his going to jail. He blamed Tony for all of this.
So it's somewhat similar, but the whole misunderstanding element is new.
I wonder how far they plotted the storylines?,will we see the leaving of the original team and the rise of "Cap's Kooky Quartet" with Hawkeye, the Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver(if their allowed to use the Mutants)and the birth of The Vision?
By the way what are they allowed to use now?,I know I mention the FF and Spidey before but can they use the X-men and so forth?
By the way what are they allowed to use now?,I know I mention the FF and Spidey before but can they use the X-men and so forth?