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we will not get Khan, but a classic villain is inevitable

I think it would be awesome if the NuBorg were to assimilate Gary Mitchell and use him a'la Picard in BOBW

You're on the right track. The way to bring the Borg into Trek again:

1) They are unstoppable. Starfleet can beat them on rare occasions, and only due to dumb luck. This means you can't afford to overuse them.

2) Assimilation is permanent, NO exceptions. No means NO! :rommie: If the writers cannot maintain this degree of discipline, don't bring back the Borg at all.

3) Let the Borg permanently assimilate some beloved character. McCoy or Chekov would be the right level of gut-punch but probably be too radical. Gary Mitchell might not be high-profile enough. How about Pike?

Or Khan. Who's up for Borg Khan? :rommie:

Hmmm, well actually ...

Lets see: While "unassimilating" Borg drones in the 24th C might be practical, it probably isn’t in the 23rd, thus satisfying your second requirement.

Maybe something like this: A Borg reconnaissance probe on a long range patrol picks up the signal from the Borg Sphere survivors earlier than anticipated and decides to take a look. They keep a low profile for awhile, gathering data, until encountering the Botany Bay. Recognising it won’t be missed and could provide sample specimens of the new species, they make the "mistake" of boarding it. Something in Khan's boosted immune system prevents their mental control ("dumb luck") and he turns the tables, using Borg augments and "slave units" for his own purposes.

A couple of military transports go missing near the neutral zone. The Enterprise is sent to investigate amid anti-Romulan diplomatic tensions. However the culprit is of course Khan flexing his muscles. A cat and mouse game develops. But Khan, who loses half his followers during a skirmish with a Cube carrier ship attempting to recover it's missing probe, becomes convinced of the Borg threat. An uneasy truce/alliance is forged to defeat the Cube (only possible due to Khans knowledge of their systems combined with Federation resources and perhaps using the probe as a Trojan Horse). The movie ends after heated arguments over whether Khan's group can become Federation citizens in some way or must be exiled.

You would probably need a more rational Khan whose antisocial behaviour was due to what he perceived as practical necessity, rather than an ego overload. Still, distrust would remain given his superior abilities and now technology, most of which he has retained, claiming facetiously that sharing it would violate the Prime Directive! ;)

Whatever the plot, you get the horror of the Borg early on, combined with the potential of Khan's human frailty as a means of defeating him if necessary. Plus Khan is an individual character, something missing from the Borg.

As for point three: No, not McCoy! Anything but that!! :eek:


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Not rocking the Borg thing this early in the franchise.. maybe for #4 or #5.

Well, the Borg could be delayed of course but if done as #2 or #3 and Khan keeps the Borg tech while being "safely shelved" afterwards, the way is left open for other unrelated stories to follow it.

You wouldn't think I'm not a fan of Khan or rehashed stories. :)
 
Just my humble opinion but that's too fank-wankish. Non-accessable to the casual fan or the Noob looking for a Friday Night Movie.

Frankly ANY attempt to redress a major well-known "villain" will lock the casuals and the noobs out of franchise again.
 
Just my humble opinion but that's too fank-wankish.

If you mean consistent with known events, that means a lot. I really appreciate the compliment. :)

Frankly ANY attempt to redress a major well-known "villain" will lock the casuals and the noobs out of franchise again.

No it won't. It'll be an all-new character to them and a character with extra layers of nuance for us.

If the story is told well, that should be the end result. Certainly the reworking of old characters does seem viable, both in Trek and other franchises.
 
A new take on the Borg would be cool. But, TNG had to jump through hoops to defeat them. I don't think 23rd century tech would stand a chance. And, this is an alternate universe, so for all we know, Picard never went back to First Contact... Oh God I'm getting a headache. Picard may not go back, but in this universe, Archer still came in contact with those Borg....
 
A new take on the Borg would be cool. But, TNG had to jump through hoops to defeat them. I don't think 23rd century tech would stand a chance. And, this is an alternate universe, so for all we know, Picard never went back to First Contact... Oh God I'm getting a headache. Picard may not go back, but in this universe, Archer still came in contact with those Borg....

I appreciate your points and I'm not suggesting they do something like that. Just playing with Temis the Vorta's humorous question. :)

There are certainly problems like why didn't that probe come across the message in the Prime universe? True, 23rd C tech would be no match but I figured Khan could learn Borg tech from the probe ... . If the Cube is too much Borg too soon, something else would have to unite Federation and Khan (I see him as more a Horta type "villain" motivationally. Not canon of course).

Let’s ignore the Archer/Picard thing! ;)

Hmmm, maybe its better for the Borg to do the ship sampling (I'm not sure they do "low profile" plus we get more horror) and Khan is their 3rd "victim" ...
 
No borg please. Gorn would be cool, but I think it will be the klingons. Abrams was displeased with having to cut the klingon scene from the last movie and it just makes sense using them since they were big villians in old trek.
 
I'm not believing this, IMO all except Khan and Mudd are too "scifi heavy" for nuTrek. Mudd is more comic relief than a villain. I'm thinking this is a smoke screen, and Khan WILL be in the new movie.
 
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