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Illogical comic book logic

Actually - talking about Black Mercy, the plant (and Mother Mercy!!!) made a reappearance in the current Green Lantern/Green Lantern Corps comics and also Mongul (the Alan Moore's Mongul's son also named Mongul - nobody dares call him junior!).

I have been reading the collected trades for those but was very confused by one thing - Mother Mercy promises (to Kyle?) that Mongul will never harm anyone again but a couple of comics later Mongul is terrorizing Daxam. What happened in-between? And to Mother Mercy?
 
Actually - talking about Black Mercy, the plant (and Mother Mercy!!!) made a reappearance in the current Green Lantern/Green Lantern Corps comics and also Mongul (the Alan Moore's Mongul's son also named Mongul - nobody dares call him junior!).

I have been reading the collected trades for those but was very confused by one thing - Mother Mercy promises (to Kyle?) that Mongul will never harm anyone again but a couple of comics later Mongul is terrorizing Daxam. What happened in-between? And to Mother Mercy?
I guess the writers forgot to retcon some very important stuff. :lol:

And speaking of Illogical comic book logic, here are some other topics to think about:

...if Green Lantern rings are so powerful it can scan entire sectors why didn't Abin Sur's ring scan lead the ring to BATMAN rather than Hal Jordan? Are you saying that Hal is more fearless than Bruce?

...why do people continue to live in Gotham knowing the city is nothing but a cesspool of the most dangerous criminals (Joker, Freeze) etc? And to that effect, why isn't Metropolis a ghost town considering it gets attacked by unstoppable aliens, semi-robotic aliens, giant robotic aliens, and every other supervillain trying to take out Supes?

...how the hell is Joker still allowed to live?

...to that continuation, why is Lex Luthor able to regain power over and over again, complete with the public's trust?

...if the DC Heroes already met happy-go-lucky travellers from the future - Legion of Super Heroes - then doesn't it mean all is well in the end? In that case, can't they go on some form of vacation?

Those are some that come to mind. :p
 
^ That's kind of my joke.

Fear is the Sinestro Corp ring, Green Lantern's detect willpower and Hal Jordan is who the ring detected. I suspect that there could be thousands of other canidates the ring could have chosen as well and some of these have been explored in elseworld tales and such.
 
...if Green Lantern rings are so powerful it can scan entire sectors why didn't Abin Sur's ring scan lead the ring to BATMAN rather than Hal Jordan? Are you saying that Hal is more fearless than Bruce?

Easily. Bruce Wayne's entire life is shaped by fear. Everything he does is to master the feelings of fear and helplessness that his childhood trauma induced in him. He's harnessed that fear and turned it outward, used it as a weapon against criminals. But he couldn't understand and use fear as effectively as he does if he didn't feel it.


...why do people continue to live in Gotham knowing the city is nothing but a cesspool of the most dangerous criminals (Joker, Freeze) etc?

Well, the rents are probably quite low. Also, Gotham's a center of art and culture. Nowhere else have the art forms of giant novelty props and robotic replicas of extinct predators achieved such heights. ;)


And to that effect, why isn't Metropolis a ghost town considering it gets attacked by unstoppable aliens, semi-robotic aliens, giant robotic aliens, and every other supervillain trying to take out Supes?

I'm not sure about the comics, but in S:TAS, it was stated that LexCorp built most of Metropolis and employed most of its citizens. Maybe their jobs required them to stay.

Besides, yeah, the comics focus on those times when someone or something goes after Superman, but that's only a dozen times a year -- actually more like two or three times a year, since the stories are all multi-part arcs these days -- and Superman always wins. So the rest of the time, Metropolis is probably the safest city on the planet, since Superman's probably arrested or scared out all the run-of-the-mill criminals by now. (A while ago, I read a blog post commenting about the Superman comics of the '50s and '60s that were mostly about Superman playing inexplicably jerky pranks on his friends or getting involved in bizarre supernatural situations, and suggesting that the reason for that was that Superman had already succeeded in defeating all the actual crime in Metropolis.)


...how the hell is Joker still allowed to live?

Because he's insane. I don't think the law allows for the execution of mentally incompetent people.

Besides, whenever the Joker does appear to get killed in the heat of conflict, he always survives somehow. So it's not so much that he's allowed to live as that he just keeps on doing it anyway.

...to that continuation, why is Lex Luthor able to regain power over and over again, complete with the public's trust?

Oh, that's very true to life. Look at all the banking executives who screwed over the country a few years ago and are still running their companies. Heck, look at the Republican Party. The worst economic crisis since the Depression happened on their watch, as a result of their policies, and yet only two years later they've been voted back into power.


...if the DC Heroes already met happy-go-lucky travellers from the future - Legion of Super Heroes - then doesn't it mean all is well in the end? In that case, can't they go on some form of vacation?

No, because they know that the reason it turned out well is because they didn't stop doing their jobs. Also because they know that history can be changed by superheroes punching walls and stuff.
 
...if Green Lantern rings are so powerful it can scan entire sectors why didn't Abin Sur's ring scan lead the ring to BATMAN rather than Hal Jordan? Are you saying that Hal is more fearless than Bruce?

Proximity has something to do with it. Hal was chosen of Guy Gardner because he was closer to Abin Sur's crash site. Bruce would have been on the other side of the country.


...why do people continue to live in Gotham knowing the city is nothing but a cesspool of the most dangerous criminals (Joker, Freeze) etc? And to that effect, why isn't Metropolis a ghost town considering it gets attacked by unstoppable aliens, semi-robotic aliens, giant robotic aliens, and every other supervillain trying to take out Supes?

Same reason people live near active volcanoes in Hawaii. Because MOST of the time, there's no special danger. Not any more than any other city in the DCU. Sydney Australia was flattened during INVASION, and Monte Video got nuked in DC 1 MILLION, and neither one of those had an important superhero presence.

...how the hell is Joker still allowed to live?

Legally insane.

...to that continuation, why is Lex Luthor able to regain power over and over again, complete with the public's trust?

Because he's really smart.

...if the DC Heroes already met happy-go-lucky travellers from the future - Legion of Super Heroes - then doesn't it mean all is well in the end? In that case, can't they go on some form of vacation?

Because they've also seen dystopian futures. They know they have to fight to make the future they want every day. "The future is not set. There's no fate except what we make it."
 
Also the original's posters logic concerning the Legion of Superheroes is flawed in it's self. How would the future be all well if there were a team of superheroes? That denotes that there are significant problems in the future that require heroes still. I found that funny when I read that.

Yes Joker is legally insane and has either busted out or been released after serving time on multiple occasions. Lex Luthor is not only brilliant but uses that intelligence to manipulate people on a constant basis in order to get what he wants, plus he's another person with a dominant personality and sheer force of will. This is being explored in Paul Cornell's excellent Action Comics.

Also Hal is no more fearless than Bruce is, both of them have wielded the GL ring due to their sheer force of WILLPOWER, fear has nothing to do with it. That is why the Sinestro Corps ring sought out Bruce at the start of the Corps war and he used sheer will to reject it.
 
Also the original's posters logic concerning the Legion of Superheroes is flawed in it's self. How would the future be all well if there were a team of superheroes? That denotes that there are significant problems in the future that require heroes still. I found that funny when I read that.

Well, my understanding is that, at least in one of their various interpretations over the decades, the Legion formed as sort of a historical re-enactment society -- it was a group of people who were Superman buffs and wanted to emulate that great figure from history by dressing up as superheroes themselves. After all, most of their "superpowers" are actually normal attributes of their respective species, so they aren't really superbeings. So if a bunch of relatively ordinary teenagers forming their own version of the Society for Creative Anachronism can go out and tackle criminals and invaders without even needing formal police or military training to do it, that would suggest to me that the future must be a safer place.
 
They're still superheroes though even if they have natural traits of their homeworlds, and the Earth born members do have superpowers and yes they were formed due to being influenced by Superman. Paul Levitz has just retconned their origin in "The Early Years" which I highly recommend for newbies.

I highly doubt the galaxy is a safer place when their are xenophobic terrorist groups around, Darkseid, the Fatal Five, the Dominators, rebel Coluans and Durlans, etc. My point is and it still stands that the future is not a safer place compared to present time DCU and requires superheroes.
 
Well, every era has its dangers. My point is that if a group of teenaged role-players, most of whom have entirely ordinary abilities by their species' standards, are able to stand up against those dangers, it suggests that the 31st century probably has plenty of other people who are capable of doing the same. So while the dangers are surely comparable to those that exist today, the society's ability to defend against those dangers can logically be assumed to be much greater.

See, safety isn't just a question of whether dangers exist, it's a question of what defenses exist against those dangers. For instance, there are just as many dangerous diseases out there as there were hundreds of years ago, but we have much better defenses against them thanks to better medicine and sanitation, so the death rate from disease is much lower.
 
Your saying they're roleplayers...they're not, they banded together out of a desire to follow Superman's inspiration. They're not playing at being at heroes. I know I'm going to regret asking this of you but ahem...have you read issues of Legion comics before??
 
...if Green Lantern rings are so powerful it can scan entire sectors why didn't Abin Sur's ring scan lead the ring to BATMAN rather than Hal Jordan? Are you saying that Hal is more fearless than Bruce?
According to an issue of Action Comics Weekly (#642), Abin Sur's ring originally selected Clark Kent to be the Green Lantern of Sector 2814. But because he wasn't a native of Earth, he was rejected. According to that issue, the ring could have gone to several other people besides Hal. Among them, Dick Grayson and Archbishop Desmond Tutu. Not among them, Bruce Wayne.
 
Probably because I'm a hardcore Legion fan.

If a few lads and lasses can save the day then the professional police, military, and rescue forces of that era, which have access to the exact same powers in larger quantities, should be able to do the same.


The Legion's membership is in the low double-digits. Taxpayer funded organizations should be able to field millions, even billions in some cases, with better equipment, superior training, and no code against killing.

Of course, that bit of logic ignores the most important comic book axiom; police are useless. .
 
Probably because I'm a hardcore Legion fan.

If a few lads and lasses can save the day then the professional police, military, and rescue forces of that era, which have access to the exact same powers in larger quantities, should be able to do the same.

I have to admit that I've lost track of what is and isn't Legion Canon through thirty plus years of reboots and retcons but wasn't the original conceit of the group that they were a government-sanctioned peace keeping team?

As for why the various worlds that sent Legionaires didn't just form a giant police force made up of those worlds, one can easily assume that there are all sorts of diplomatic and procedural issues in the 30th Century under which the UP might not have been able to even if they wanted that.
 
I always look at Superman as having three different personas. The human Clark Kent who was raised by his parents with strong morale and ethical values and who learned what it is to be human and what they care about during his teenage years, the adult version of this is the construct he has made and much prefers. The alien Kal-El who is the last son of Krypton and has learned to embrace his alien heritage and legacy, and finally Superman, the Man of Steel the public persona of both of these concepts put together. The man and alien living in harmony to protect his adoptive world.

Pre-Crisis, at least, I'd say that Superman and the Clark that his parents knew were pretty much indistinguishable personalities. That was the real Superman/Clark and the bumbling public persona was the fake one.
 
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