Am I the only one amused by how Dusty Ayres can boast of only ever having watched one Smallville episode, then present a list of what's wrong with the series?
Wonder Woman headed to the small screen
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"Amused" isn't the word that comes to my mind.
^ I have an odd sense of humour.
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I am guessing Batman shouldn't dress like a bat? 
Wanting to see our heroes look remotely like they do in the comics isn't a bad thing.
Wanting to see our heroes look remotely like they do in the comics isn't a bad thing.
I am guessing Batman shouldn't dress like a bat?
Wanting to see our heroes look remotely like they do in the comics isn't a bad thing.
It's not automatically a good thing either. And Wonder Woman has had a variety of looks over the years, so she's got a lot more flexibility than Batman does. 'Cause there's also this, this, this, this and this. All of which have appeared in the comics.
Take a look at the thong butt shot front and center on the first picture and perhaps you can grasp why some of us who perceive Wonder Woman as more than a sex symbol might welcome something different from the traditional costume.
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I think there should be a compromise and multiple outfits would probable be used...but I certainly don't think Diana dressed in just primary colored street clothes would work...there is a big difference between Diana & young Clark Kent...and DC is not the TV show Heroes...and Wonder Woman isn't an X-Men. I think the whole package should be there...story, compelling characters, good VFX for what can be done on TV and a costume that says this is Wonder Woman. JMHO. 
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While I agree a perfectly good Wonder Woman series could be done without her in her traditional costume, I would like to see some iteration of an outfit she wears when she goes on her adventures. I know Smallville has tried hard to stick to the blue/red color pattern on Clark's clothes, but I want something one level above that. Perhaps the eagle emblem somewhere and stars, the bracelets on her wrists. But I stress that's my personal preference. I don't think the series is doomed if they don't do that.
All this assumption about what's going to be in a show that is so far only in the writers' imaginations. We know nothing about it. It could be another Heroes, it could be another Smallville, it could be another Adam West Batman, it could be another Incredible Hulk. Why not wait and see what she wears?
Hippolyta called. She wants her title back.
But, er, seriously, as a drive-by commenter who cares little for the debate, I largely think that most comic book character costumes - loud, bright, garishly colourful as they stereotypically are - sort of work better on the printed page then they do in a live action setting. There's just some conceits that work better in a drawn world that's full of primary colours because primary colours were the in-thing when most of these characters were originally created, but our darned real world has way too many tonal variations for them to fit, to meander pointlessly.
And this is why, yes, even Batman... starts wearing a pretty different costume. I'm no comic book expert but I'll hypothetically bet that the Batsuits of the Nolan films are not cut and pasted from any comic Batman, and at any rate aren't the iconic costume I think of when I think Batman (my mental image tends to include this yellow disc, y'know, Nolan).
Wonder Woman's costume seems to embrace American nationalism and iconography, which I never quite squared with her Amazon identity (er that is I have never read or seen a Wonder Woman product and know of her largely as that character Peri Gilpin dressed up as that one time on Frasier).
But then again I guess she, like the Kryptonian, is a good immigrant and adopts American norms... or something.
I mean I'd be pretty ticked if Captain America lost his stars and stripes as that's pretty much his entire raison d'etre, but I can see it working for a mythical Eastern savage.
Well, that's an interesting thing about WW - her look has many iconic elements from which one could create freely. The bracelets I'd think are absolutely essential. I generally like the eagle symbol (as much as it is Roman, not Amazonian) and it's been used in several clever ways throughout various costume iterations.
Exactly! Rarely do costumes translate well into live action unless the world is likewise made cartoonish. Superman can get away with it because he's Superman. I found it a little awkward in Spider-Man, as did the filmmakers apparently because look at how often Peter is in street clothes versus costume in those movies.
George Perez tried to justify it in the context of his much more Amazonian take on the character, but boy was it a tortured explanation. It involved Steve Trevor's mother! (No I am not making that up.)
I'm advocate of a wholesale reimagining of Wonder Woman to try to streamline the numerous contradictions that have accumulated to the character over the years. The way things are now, she's an Amazon, and somehow the Amazons have an entirely Greek culture (despite the fact that the ancient Greeks feared and despised the Amazons who were as completely as it was possible to be - NOT Greek), she's a warrior who runs around dressed in a thong and a bustier which makes one wonder if the Goddesses imbued her top with magical powers so that her breasts wouldn't come flying out of it every time she throws a punch. She's an ambassador of her superior, enlightened, peaceful culture who's constantly beating the crap out of someone. Go figure.
I am guessing Batman shouldn't dress like a bat?
Well, Smallville evolved from a proposal for a Bruce Wayne series that would've focused on young Bruce's formative years before he donned the cowl; the project was scuttled once WB decided to proceed with a new Batman film series, and so the creators switched from Bruce to Clark and approached it basically the same way. I've often thought it would've probably worked better as a Bruce Wayne series than a Clark Kent series -- if for no other reason than that there wouldn't have had to be superpowered Kryptonite mutants showing up every week.
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I know the history of how the show came about...there is however a big difference in doing a young Bruce Wayne series and a young Clark Kent series and doing a Batman or Superman show...there are alot of things you can get away with doing the hero before they are that hero...but in the end...they are that hero and IMHO I expect to see them resemble the source from where they came. Again...what is wrong with that?
I know the history of how the show came about...there is however a big difference in doing a young Bruce Wayne series and a young Clark Kent series and doing a Batman or Superman show...there are alot of things you can get away with doing the hero before they are that hero...but in the end...they are that hero and IMHO I expect to see them resemble the source from where they came. Again...what is wrong with that?
Because that was never the idea. People who kept expecting SMALLVILLE to be THE NEW, NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN, complete with the costume and the everything, were wanting a different show, aimed at a different audience. And there's no guarantee that a more traditional SUPERMAN show would have lasted as long as SMALLVILLE has.
(Indeed, history suggests the opposite. Previous superhero shows, even the successful ones, have rarely lasted for more than three seasons. BATMAN and LOIS & CLARK both debuted big, but flamed out after a season or two.)
Granted, nobody ever expected this prequel series to last for ten years, so, yeah, they've had to strain visibly to hang onto the Clark-before-Superman premise, but, again, SMALLVILLE was never supposed to morph into SUPERMAN: THE TV SERIES. That's just a fannish pipe dream. SMALLVILLE was always supposed to be a teen-centric soap opera about the young Clark Kent . . . which is a perfectly legitimate, and commercially shrewd, take on the mythos.
^ He's no longer young though Greg and they're still writing Clark the same way he has been written since the first season. I can see that we're going no where with this argument though and are all in disagreement.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. I'm saying that there's nothing wrong with the alternative. We're talking about matters of taste here. There are no "wrong" answers in a matter of opinion. There's room for superhero stories that are faithful to their origins, and there's room for superhero stories that are highly revisionist. Because people are different. There is no way in hell that you'll ever get the entire viewing public to agree on a single preference. Heck, you can't even get rabid comics/sci-fi fanboys to agree on a single preference. So why not have multiple different approaches? Why should there be anything "wrong" with any of them?
I am interested in what Kelly does with "Wonder Woman" and am curious to what network it will air on.
Probably CW or SYFY either network would be a proper home for our Amazon Princess.
It depends on how well the pilot does in ratings.
Also the cast cannot be Buffyesque in scope no built in band of friends helping her to fight crime,monsters,gods etc.
Remember she's Immortal even though her creation is similar to how Zeus created man,and woman.
It could work in a modern setting,but how would you write it to be realistic?
That's my take
Signed
Buck Rogers
It depends on how well the pilot does in ratings.
Also the cast cannot be Buffyesque in scope no built in band of friends helping her to fight crime,monsters,gods etc.
Remember she's Immortal even though her creation is similar to how Zeus created man,and woman.
It could work in a modern setting,but how would you write it to be realistic?
That's my take
Signed
Buck Rogers
Realism is a style, a matter of execution, not concept. Something doesn't have to be based on reality to be portrayed with realism. It's Richard Matheson's philosophy of writing fantasy: include one impossible element and keep everything around it as grounded and naturalistic as possible. Heck, there's a whole genre of fantasy literature called magic realism, about portraying magical and supernatural concepts in the modern, everyday world.
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Either way everything needs to work...great cast, good stories, compelling characters and decent visuals for a TV show. I am hoping it is a good series and can do the character justice.
