when will we have a bluray?

[The Trekster]

I'm honestly not sure we'll ever see HD versions of The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine or Voyager. The images are just to soft and fuzzy for them to do a quality upscaling and the amount of reworking needed for the original film with new effects would be expensive. Plus we have no idea what type of shape the original film is in or if it even exists (completely) anymore.

The reason the picture looks so 'soft and fuzzy' is that it was transferred to video, thus making it SD. If you saw the film they shot, I'm sure it would be sharp as a knife.

There would be no upscaling from those video copies required at all. 35mm film is usually filmed and scanned with a 4k resolution, that's slightly more than 4 times HD quality. So they wouldn't have to do a thing as far as converting the footage to HD, in fact, by making it HD, they are actually degrading the original image

While it's totally possible that someone was an idiot and 'lost' thousands of hours worth of film, I highly doubt it. It's not like the show is 100 years old...

 

[BillJ]

I'm honestly not sure we'll ever see HD versions of The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine or Voyager. The images are just to soft and fuzzy for them to do a quality upscaling and the amount of reworking needed for the original film with new effects would be expensive. Plus we have no idea what type of shape the original film is in or if it even exists (completely) anymore.

The reason the picture looks so 'soft and fuzzy' is that it was transferred to video, thus making it SD. If you saw the film they shot, I'm sure it would be sharp as a knife.

There would be no upscaling from those video copies required at all. 35mm film is usually filmed and scanned with a 4k resolution, that's slightly more than 4 times HD quality. So they wouldn't have to do a thing as far as converting the footage to HD, in fact, by making it HD, they are actually degrading the original image

While it's totally possible that someone was an idiot and 'lost' thousands of hours worth of film, I highly doubt it. It's not like the show is 100 years old...

You just pretty much repeated what I said.

The current episodes are to soft and fuzzy to do an HD upscaling of that material.

I wonder if they have the complete film elements to do a remastering. They don't have to lose 'thousands of hours worth of film', just lose a little here... a little there. And it cripples the project.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

series Blu-ray

Hi
i know that there is a bluray for all the films
& for the first original tv show
& for the last show enterprise
but what with:
The Next Generation
Deep Space Nine
Voyager
will we see a bluray/HD DVD for them soon?
thanks

JekylHyde this has been covered before in great detail.
Read these threads:
Star Trek TNG Remastered?
with 679 replies

TNG remastered in HD? It CAN be done.

STNG remastered and in 3D?? CBS weighs in on this!

TNG remastered


REMASTER THE ENTIRE DEEP SPACE NINE SERIES.

DS9 should get Remastered


Remaster the entire Voyager Series...........

Actually Enterprise (2001-2005) has not been released nor announced for Blu-ray release yet. Although it would not be much work to remaster to Blu-ray. This is the closest discussion to it on TrekBBS:
Star Trek: Enterprise seasons Blu-ray spec. features wishlist
with 30 replies.

In the thread in the TNG forum, someone suggested they take The Best of Both Worlds, update effects, full HD, the whole works, and release it theatrically (just like what they did with The Menagerie for TOS).

The suggestion here.

 

[Harvey]

SEINFELD was able to spare the expense of re-editing all of their episodes in order to release them in HD (the Blu-Rays have yet to emerge, but they're already being aired in HD on television).

With a show like Seinfeld, there are no special effects to deal with.

In the early seasons, yes. But by the end of the series, as it had gotten more and more absurd, SEINFELD included visual effects quite often. In any event, the visual effects are not really the problem. If CBS Paramount could afford to redo the effects for every episode of STAR TREK, then it could certainly afford the same for STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION. DS9 and VOY have more elaborate visual effects, and are less popular, so they remain an open question.

I think we're just going to have to be satisfied with the current home video releases.

For the time being, yes. But I find it highly unlikely that STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION will remain unreleased in HD forever.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

I think we're just going to have to be satisfied with the current home video releases.

i agree.

I'm honestly not sure we'll ever see HD versions of The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine or Voyager. The images are just to soft and fuzzy

While watching a first season episode of VOY some of the closeups were just out of focus. Not via diffusion but out of focus! You can't restore that. With the hectic pace of TV they just let things go if it's good enough for broadcast (at the time in standard definition).

 

[The Wormhole]

I do notice while watching TNG or early years of DS9 or Voyager that the picture does look kind of, I don't know. I want to say grainy, but I'm not sure if that's the proper term. But anyhoo, I like it. It adds some distinction and character to the show. Full crystal clear HD picture is not always necessary to enjoy a show.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

Full crystal clear HD picture is no always necessary to enjoy a show.

Agreed.
There was some discussion in this thread:
HIDEF..too good?
about the fidelity and sharpness taking away from the storytelling.

 

[Vanyel]

Full crystal clear HD picture is no always necessary to enjoy a show.

Agreed.
There was some discussion in this thread:
HIDEF..too good?
about the fidelity and sharpness taking away from the storytelling.

The arguments put forth in that thread are good ones for TV shows, but movie film is basically infinite definition. If a problem can be seen in a HD movie on your HD TV, then it was also visible at the movie theater. So, yes, things that are hidden by the low definition of non HD TV would become visible in HD. The trick would be to use computer to animate the back ground, or remove clumsy sets and replace them. That's a lot of work. So as I said earlier, it would be too expensive to upgrade TNG/DS9/VOY to HD right now, it wont be done until the price comes down.

 

[BillJ]

I think we see a new Star Trek animated series before we see The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine or Voyager in high-definition. At this point, I'm pretty sure we won't see any of those series on the Blu-Ray platform.

 

[BillJ]

Full crystal clear HD picture is no always necessary to enjoy a show.

Agreed.
There was some discussion in this thread:
HIDEF..too good?
about the fidelity and sharpness taking away from the storytelling.

The arguments put forth in that thread are good ones for TV shows, but movie film is basically infinite definition. If a problem can be seen in a HD movie on your HD TV, then it was also visible at the movie theater. So, yes, things that are hidden by the low definition of non HD TV would become visible in HD. The trick would be to use computer to animate the back ground, or remove clumsy sets and replace them. That's a lot of work. So as I said earlier, it would be too expensive to upgrade TNG/DS9/VOY to HD right now, it wont be done until the price comes down.

Not sure the price of labor it costs to re-edit these shows is ever going to go down.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The fact that they have included the original versions of the episodes on blu-ray proves they didn't have to update them.

It proves exactly that - all you have to do is watch them to see.

I mean, the studio's not going to put these things on bluray just so they can sell four or five thousand copies to the hard-core.

 

[BillJ]

The fact that they have included the original versions of the episodes on blu-ray proves they didn't have to update them.

It proves exactly that - all you have to do is watch them to see.

I was under the impression we're still seeing the digitally re-mastered episodes, just presented without the updated effects. Which is why seamless braching is included for both the original and new effects.

They would still have to go and scan all the original film elements (for TNG, DS9 and VOY) and clean them up to release them as high-definition material (which is still very labor intensive).

EDIT: They can't just slap the current home video version of Encounter at Farpoint onto a Blu-Ray and call it 'High-Definition'. I've watched the episode on my 40" 1080p TV with a PS3 as the player and it still looks like shit. And the PS3 is still one of the better 'upscaling' players around.