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The Problem with Star Trek Plots

david g

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Obviously, as a huge Trek fan, this critical post should be understood as stemming from my general love of the franchise...

I have been enjoying rewatching DS9, which was never a favorite Trek series of mine (Im mainly a TOS and VOY fan, and, I will admit, TAS...!).

Having just watched "Accession," the sixteenth episode of the fourth season, in which a poet from two centuries ago long thought dead reappears through the wormhole, becomes the new Emissary, and creates havoc by insisting that Bajor return to the "dejara" caste system, in which you pursue careers according to your family line, ie, now Kira must be an artist and renounce her military career, I am left feeling frustrated that even a series as carefully written and conceived as DS9 can still be so simplistic. Why are Trek plots often so bad?

Specifically, what I refer to is the mass decision to obey the new Emissary's call for a return to the "dejara," which even leads (SPOILER) to the murder of a member of an "unclean" caste by a Bajoran priest!

Is it really plausible that masses of citizens in a world would automatically revert to systems that existed quite some time ago simply because a leader demanded it? I thought that this episode might go in a more interesting direction and have a kind of prolonged debate between "The Sisko" and the new/old Emissary about the caste system, but no such debate occurs. Instead, what we get is a growing sense of panic, an atmosphere Trek is skillful at creating.

It also seems to me wildly implausible that the hardheaded, however religiously passionate, Kira would simply give up her commission and move to Bajor to set up shop as an artist...Kira struggles with this, but overall her position is one of passivity. If this is Trek's vision of religious faith, it's a pretty poor one, I fear.

Anyway, I'm hardly signaling DS9 out for this, which is why Im posting it here. Even one of VOY's most moving episodes, LINEAGE, in which B'Elanna wants to genetically alter her child because of her own pains about her race (the reason that she believes her father abandoned their family), compromises some of its impact by descending into a loony final act in which Tuvok and his security team must bust into Sickbay to prevent B'Elanna from harming her fetus....The great acting from the actors makes the scene that follows bw B'Elanna and Tom one of the best in the series, but it comes at real cost.

Overall, then, I believe that Trek is guilty of often quite shoddy plotting. My question is, why is this so consistently true throughout the franchise. Again, I ask as a Trek lover, not hater....
 
No sillier than people flying airplanes into a building because some cave dweller told them to, or protesting military funerals because you think the soldiers were defending homosexuals.

Star Trek is at its best when it shows us something that seems silly until we say to ourselves "I'm glad nothing like that would ever happen in real life...oh yeah those guys...hmm...."
 
No sillier than people flying airplanes into a building because some cave dweller told them to, or protesting military funerals because you think the soldiers were defending homosexuals.

Star Trek is at its best when it shows us something that seems silly until we say to ourselves "I'm glad nothing like that would ever happen in real life...oh yeah those guys...hmm...."

This.
 
^^ Agreed.

It's all about stretches of plausibility. Star Trek certainly takes full license at times to stretch plausibility into... well, convoluted taffy. But I find most of the story plots imaginative.
 
Hi,
I find most of the plots imaginative, too, Gary. I guess what Im trying to get at is why the plots are often so outlandish...is it an appeal to the audience through high-octane "drama"?
 
The main problem with Trek plots is that you know none of the regulars will die.
Yeah, that's been a real problem in this franchise.
Tasha
Trip
Spock
Jadzia
Sisko (sort of)
Dukat (I figure he was recurring frequently enough to be considered a regular)
Data
 
The main problem with Trek plots is that you know none of the regulars will die.
If you accept that death is that state from which you do not return.

Tasha......Death.
Trip ........Death, novels say he faked it.
Spock......Still with us.
Jadzia......Death, although Dax survived.
Sisko ......Kind of tough to say.
Dukat .....Death.
Data........Still with us, everything is inside "B4."
 
Accession was a minor, forgettable episode on an excellent series, so why fuss about it? The real problem with Star Trek plots is demonstrated by ENT and VOY - recycling of canned plotlines because either the writers are burned out, or perhaps simply because there are only so many story ideas you can do with space opera in an episodic format. In the ENT forum, we had a fun game of "name the TNG/VOY script they dusted off for this episode" every week for the first two seasons.

Solution: semi-serialized or serialized format. The third season of ENT, which was all serialized, wasn't what I would call good but at least it wasn't so obviously recycled. The fourth season used more of a trilogy format, and delved into Trek lore for fanboyish plots, which at least was not something we'd seen a lot of, and I found that to be the most entertaining of all four years.

Specifically, what I refer to is the mass decision to obey the new Emissary's call for a return to the "dejara," which even leads (SPOILER) to the murder of a member of an "unclean" caste by a Bajoran priest!

Is it really plausible that masses of citizens in a world would automatically revert to systems that existed quite some time ago simply because a leader demanded it?
Didn't strike me as noticeably implausible. The Bajorans had previously been depicted as a very tradition-bound society and who's to say how prone they would be to such backsliding? There have been much more glaring instances of implausible plot twists.

Why would Dukat, who's always been out for himself in an egocentric and selfish way, suddenly devote his life to the pagh-wraiths as a sincere adherent?

Why would the Female Founder, a representative of a paranoid and vicious totalitarian regime that has nothing but contempt for "solids," suddenly decide to end a war just because Odo was nice to her, as opposed to, say, ordering the Jem'hadar to go down fighting and cause as much destruction as possible in the Alpha Quadrant?

Why would Chakotay and Seven, who have absolutely nothing in common, suddenly embark on an out-of-the-blue romance?

Why would Starfleet assign a petulant, bossy idiot with zero diplomatic finesse to be the captain of their first starship, so he could roam around outer space making enemies for Earth?

And that only scratches the surface. I'm sure I'm letting VOY in particular off far too lightly. :D
 
Why would Starfleet put two obvious racists of two different species on a ship together?

Frankenvorta does have it right that the standalone "Planet/Alien/Anomaly of the week" stories ran out after TNG. Semi-serialization is where it's at, wherein you don't HAVE to watch every episode but there can be some trilogy episode arcs and it's clear that the episodes are progressing linearly.

First off, the writes need to all sit down and think of a premise that logically could be spread out over 7 years. VOY didn't have this "Ship lost and traveling home while the crew is divided" isn't good enough. ENT didn't even HAVE a premise beyond "Show set earlier in history".

This lack of premise isn't bad when the show's are the starters or codifiers like TOS and TNG are. But DS9 had the advantage of having a premise that was workable for 7 years.
 
The main problem with Trek plots is that you know none of the regulars will die.
Yeah, that's been a real problem in this franchise.
Tasha
Trip
Spock
Jadzia
Sisko (sort of)
Dukat (I figure he was recurring frequently enough to be considered a regular)
Data

Tasha and Jazia were because the actresses wanted to leave.

Trip, Sisko, Dukat and Data were in the series respective final episodes (or movie in the case of Data).

Spock was resurrected, so shouldn't really be included.

Under normal curcumstances, a regular isn't killed off.

Anyhoo, it sounds like the OP is complaining about general storytelling conventions present in quite a few TV shows, Trek or otherwise. Annoying? Sure. But even the best shows have the occasional hiccup in between great episodes. I think this image sums it up perfectly.
 
Me neither, but I agree with the point the image is trying to make, that not every episode can be a masterpiece (as many claim that City is).
 
The Bajorans are a very tradition-minded culture that was still trying to recover from almost a century of occupation and horrendous cultural devastation caused by the Cardassians. I haven't seen the episode in years, but wasn't there a call from some sectors to question the reasons why the dejaras were so important to the old poet, and what good he hoped to achieve by going back to them?
 
The main problem with Trek plots is that you know none of the regulars will die.

I remember hearing that ass who played Chakotay say something similiar, and I think it kind of misses the point. In good trek the tension doesnt arise from a threat to the lives of our protagonists as much as from asking how they are going to survive. When trek is written well the audience is forced to ask themselves what they would do, what the right decision would be, and thats what makes it good television.

A good example would be DS9s 'The Assignment', the one where O'Briens wife is possessed by a pah-wraith (good I hate that word) who manipulates O'Brien by threatening his wifes life. Now, even though Keiko isnt a regular, we know she isnt going to die, the tension comes about from seeing how O'Brien copes with the situation of being either a saboteur or letting his wife die. We have to ask ourselves whats the objective right thing to do, and also what we would do in the same situation, as well as wondering how O'Brien is going to pull off a happy ending.

In reply to the original post, trek is often 'simplistic' because simplistic sometimes works. Its not realistic of likely that a whole species would evolve into a culture which worshipped only 'profit', or 'honour', or 'logic', and yet we have the Ferengi, the Klingons and the Vulcans. At the same time, the show is not about Ferengi, Klingons or Vulcans, its about humans, its about looking at what kind of a people we are, and its much easier to do that with pretty monoform cultures to contrast against, and thats when you get the great outsider moments, like Quarks Ferengi analysis of humanity in 'The Jem Hadar'.

So I dont think it matters that most 'background' Bajorans are these sheep who do whatever you tell them, because they're only there to provide a background for characters like Kira. I find it interesting that Kira didnt challenge what was going on with the 'dejara' customs, because its exactly the opposite of what we would do, as humans. This is similiar to her decision in 'Children of Time', where she decides it would be better to follow her destiny, even though she'll die, than to cheat it and live. Its interesting to see Kira's character react to all this in a way we would not expect, because, if Kira was a human, she would not with her personality bow down to this sort of thing. So we also have the interest of a nonhuman viewpoint.
 
If what makes a plot interesting is wondering if they'll REALLY kill off the Regulars, than nearly no show in existence is "interesting".
 
Is it really plausible that masses of citizens in a world would automatically revert to systems that existed quite some time ago simply because a leader demanded it?
Returning to the OP.

The Catdassians were on Bajor for three generations as I remember, and it's not clear how long after the beginning of the occupation that the dejara caste system was put aside. The possible original intent (perhaps stated intent) was for the dejara's to be temporarily suspended. At the time of the episode in question, the occupation hadn't really been over with for that long. The prospect of returning to the dejara "one day" might have been on the back burner for the Bajorian government, and not acted upon partially for fear of Federation objections.

Many Bajorians following the end of the occupation likely simply returned to their dejaras without fanfare.

Those Bajorian's with preferable dejara's easily could have greeted the news of their obligatory resumption with approval.
 
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If what makes a plot interesting is wondering if they'll REALLY kill off the Regulars, than nearly no show in existence is "interesting".
What would have been interesting is to have the first three or four episodes of Voyager (somehow) be with the ship with the original crew, the first officer, the flesh and blood doctor, the chief engineer and the hot helmsgirl (from the shuttle trip with Paris). Then shoot the Voyager through to the delta quadrant and kill off half the crew,

The way TPTB did it in Caretaker we, the audience, didn't really feel the impact of those loses because we didn't ever get to know these people as people, they were just brief extras.


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