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Matrix Revolutions--Holy CRAP

I still don't know what the hell the sequels were about.

Exploding vaginas because of cheesecake.

Yup, the Matrix, or the Merovingian at least, can write a simple layer of code into an ordinary cake to produce an orgasm simple as that, and they use it maybe once to show off and leave everyone else miserable?

There were a lot of scenes like that in these movies. Totally pointless, added nothing to the plot, only wasted screentime.
 
Count me as someone who loved the Siege of Zion. I thought they did a great job.

What I didn't like was the downgrading of Morpheus. He becomes just another captain in Reloaded and Jada Pinkett's co-pilot in Revolutions. What an absolute waste.
 
Honestly, I don't even like the original Matrix anymore. It was cool when it came out because it such a new thing, but I tried re-watching it a few months ago, and I thought it was so BORING!
I'm there with you. I always thought the film was visually exciting, had a great concept, but lacked compelling characters and had some terribly cliche plot elements.

For example, the Neo/Trinity love story that came out of nowhere in the last 10 minutes, where Trinity professes her love to Neo as their ship is torn apart and everybody is about to die. It made me want to puke.
 
Count me as someone who loved the Siege of Zion. I thought they did a great job.

What I didn't like was the downgrading of Morpheus. He becomes just another captain in Reloaded and Jada Pinkett's co-pilot in Revolutions. What an absolute waste.

Morpheus was mysterious even when he wasn't jacked into the Matrix. In the sequels, he is somewhat made out to be a person believing in a myth. (As I mentioned in an earlier thread, Morpheus loses his mystery and coolness...and unique character).

It reminds me of what was done with the Jedi in the Prequels, where we were always led to believe that they are these strong individuals...but, in the prequels, they are so ignorant to see an 'Imperial' plan is being made to do away with them...and anyone with a quick automatic blaster can do away with them.

To same with the Rangers from Babylon 5, who are also made to seem like a mysterious, cool organization...but the later (poor) B5 spin-offs hurt the mystery of the characters.

It goes to show: If something sucks, people will notice.
 
So the writers had to scramble fast to write something up to the quality of the first movie but since they never gave it much thought the result is almost always subpar..
Scramble fast? There was a five year gap between the first movie and the two sequels! They had plenty of time to come up with something interesting.

Though I think you have a point in that they didn't structure the story to be a trilogy. Like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, the first film was a surprise hit. The story was pretty much wrapped up by the end (humanity had won), and that was it.

But no matter what excuses they have, a good writer would have been able to come up with something good.
 
Count me as someone who loved the Siege of Zion. I thought they did a great job.

What I didn't like was the downgrading of Morpheus. He becomes just another captain in Reloaded and Jada Pinkett's co-pilot in Revolutions. What an absolute waste.

Morpheus was mysterious even when he wasn't jacked into the Matrix. In the sequels, he is somewhat made out to be a person believing in a myth. (As I mentioned in an earlier thread, Morpheus loses his mystery and coolness...and unique character).

It reminds me of what was done with the Jedi in the Prequels, where we were always led to believe that they are these strong individuals...but, in the prequels, they are so ignorant to see an 'Imperial' plan is being made to do away with them...and anyone with a quick automatic blaster can do away with them.

To same with the Rangers from Babylon 5, who are also made to seem like a mysterious, cool organization...but the later (poor) B5 spin-offs hurt the mystery of the characters.

It goes to show: If something sucks, people will notice.

Yeah, Morpheus just becomes another guy in the sequels...

I see what you're saying about the Jedi but if the Jedi were invulnerable in the first place, they wouldn't need to block blaster bolts.
 
A couple things here. The first one has some gibberish, but it's kept at a low level and they let you distract yourself with some bendy spoons. The prolonged scenes of carnage also looked fairly cool.

The second and the third had far more incomprehensible gibberish and far too much exposition with nothing else. The prolonged battle scenes were even longer. Basically, all the possible complaints of the first two, only even longer.

It was The Matrix that was gibberish and the sequel that made much more sense (in its own fictional terms, the philosophy is existentialist/idealist bunkum.) If you can't even see this, you can't even articulate your real objection.

So, no, I don't think I can accept your premise. The first movie works in spite of Keanu Reeves and parts of the second and almost all of the third simply don't work (regardless of Reeves).

You can't (nor can anyone else) explain what it was about The Matrix that "worked" that wasn't in the sequel. What was in the sequel that wasn't in the first movie were 1.)more or less coherent explanations for the nonsense in the first movie 2.) big words 3.) more characters who weren't just cliche red shirts 4.) less Reeves as Everyman Hero 5.) Reeves isn't the Conquering Hero 6.) more nonwhite characters. Admittedly not all the differences between The Matrix and the sequel are flattering to the critics who love The Matrix and hate the sequel.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dolph Lundgren, Jean Claude van Damm, Chuck Norris, Jet Li, Jackie Chan, even Sylvester Stallone are action heroes because of their physical presence, either in musculature or in genuine athletic accomplishments. It may sound unartistic but the physical presence is part of the performance. There are very few, if any, major action stars who aren't notable in some way. Bruce Willis and Matt Damon are notable in being more like Reeves in not being massively muscled or being extraordinary athletes. When those guys do chop-socky, they're acting. (Don't know much about Vin Diesel or Jason Statham, though.)
 
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