That's also a fair summary of the problems that various comic book companies seemed to have with the franchise for a long time.
DC finally started to get a handle on it in the '80s, I think.
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That's also a fair summary of the problems that various comic book companies seemed to have with the franchise for a long time.
DC finally started to get a handle on it in the '80s, I think.
Well, to add to the anecdotal pile, at the typical TRU, NuTrek stuff is on clearance on full shelves, while TOS stuff is still at full price and in short supply. In other words, TOS sells, NuTrek doesn't.
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Aye... the TOS toys simply look better, because while the Playmates TOS communicator was detailed, and had actual visual as well as true tactile depth to it, the only thing the nuTrek communicator toy is, is a slab of molded plastic with a frakking circle sticker slapped on top of it. Cheap crap. The nuTrek action figures don't look that great, either.
And look at the nuTrek bridge playset... look how damn cheap that POS was... heck, someone in our very own Trek Art forum made it a bajillion times better, by making it multi-dimensional himself, by cutting the "placemat" that Playmates gives you, and making foamcore step levels/deck... detail and realism that the toy could and SHOULD have had. Compare the nuTrek bridge playset, to what Playmates gave us with the TNG bridge and even Transporter Room playsets...
Aye... the TOS toys simply look better, because while the Playmates TOS communicator was detailed, and had actual visual as well as true tactile depth to it, the only thing the nuTrek communicator toy is, is a slab of molded plastic with a frakking circle sticker slapped on top of it. Cheap crap. The nuTrek action figures don't look that great, either.
And look at the nuTrek bridge playset... look how damn cheap that POS was... heck, someone in our very own Trek Art forum made it a bajillion times better, by making it multi-dimensional himself, by cutting the "placemat" that Playmates gives you, and making foamcore step levels/deck... detail and realism that the toy could and SHOULD have had. Compare the nuTrek bridge playset, to what Playmates gave us with the TNG bridge and even Transporter Room playsets...
And therein lies the problem in continuing this line of research. All we have to go by is one crappy toy line, leaving us with the question of why they didn't sell, i.e., was it because the toys were shite or because the public support for this part of the franchise isn't as broad as the box office would indicate? If Bad Robot wasn't pulling the plug on everything that comes down the pike, we'd have more data to go by; those four books that were in the pipeline might've been very telling.
You know, a hell of a lot of people went to see Cameron's Titanic and yet I don't recall there being much in the way of merchandising action associated with that film. Some movies attract a lot of viewers and that's it. Some exhibit an attention to deep detail that draws in the fanatics-- fanatics with the money and inclination to buy stuff-- well done stuff -- reflective of that deeply detailed, believable reality. Fanatics like us.
I think this new, JJ direction for Trek reflects a belief that kids don't play with toys anymore. They play online. There may never be another Kenner Star Wars boom like that of 1978-83. So, in addition to maybe being reflective of a way of filmaking that doesn't go for "Ridley Scott" depths in portraying its fictional setting, nuTrek might also just be reflective of a new direction in storytelling that is more cognizant of gaming than toys.
I think this new, JJ direction for Trek reflects a belief that kids don't play with toys anymore. They play online. There may never be another Kenner Star Wars boom like that of 1978-83. So, in addition to maybe being reflective of a way of filmaking that doesn't go for "Ridley Scott" depths in portraying its fictional setting, nuTrek might also just be reflective of a new direction in storytelling that is more cognizant of gaming than toys.
Sounds to me like the haters are starting yet another incoherent rant: "Since the toys aren't selling, Star Trek '09 is a complete and dismal failure!!!"
Man, when will this nuttiness end...
Well, in 2012 there will be another Star Trek movie - no matter how much money it makes, it will provide fresh metrics for the haters to gnaw on and try to twist into a declaration of failure.
When recasting starts with the third or fourth movie - either a reboot or more likely one or two actors leaving and being replaced in their roles - we'll start to get the refrain of "the rats are deserting the ship..." etc, etc.
When a new creative team takes over - fourth movie, most likely - there will be retroactive analysis of all the ways in which this series "failed," and when the new director is announced there will be much tea-leaf reading about how something or another in his/her past statements about Star Trek constitutes an acknowledgment that Abrams and Company done wrong and heralds a return to form.
Frankly, when the Franchise changes direction again in any way the folks who are currently unsuccessfully pronouncing nuTrek to be a failure will find some justification in it for declaring victory. This is all very old, terribly predictable, tired and just sad.
To be fair, though, the ha...er...dislikers really kind of started it before the movie even got distributed without giving it any kind of a chance. Same thing happened with BSG. You'll always have both sides of any argument with extremely impassioned furor. 'Tis human nature, I'm afraid. 
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There may have been some that started in beforehand but not everyone did. It seems that if you find that the movie was lacking in any way you're tarred with the name hater and that makes it alright to ignore what may be a legitimate criticism. There are people that love the movie despite it's flaws just like there are people that hate it no matter what it did. Most people tend to be in the middle.
You haven't been paying attention. This divisiveness predates ST09. The same name calling was being slammed around as far back as TNG and with each successive series.To be fair, though, the ha...er...dislikers really kind of started it before the movie even got distributed without giving it any kind of a chance. Same thing happened with BSG. You'll always have both sides of any argument with extremely impassioned furor. 'Tis human nature, I'm afraid.
Before ST09 there was ENT and its consequent firestorm.
Sounds to me like the haters are starting yet another incoherent rant: "Since the toys aren't selling, Star Trek '09 is a complete and dismal failure!!!"
Man, when will this nuttiness end...
Perhaps the demographic that is most attracted to a Star Trek movie or series these days isn't the same demographic that buys a lot of toys. Maybe Star Trek fans have grown up a bit.
To be fair, though, the ha...er...dislikers really kind of started it before the movie even got distributed without giving it any kind of a chance. Same thing happened with BSG. You'll always have both sides of any argument with extremely impassioned furor. 'Tis human nature, I'm afraid.
Oh, certainly, but I wish we could all be nice to each other about, even while disagreeing with passion.
Sounds to me like the haters are starting yet another incoherent rant: "Since the toys aren't selling, Star Trek '09 is a complete and dismal failure!!!"
Man, when will this nuttiness end...
Was this in any way a response to my post?
Just wondering...
Some like to throw around the word "hater" in much the same way some have been known to throw around the word "racist." It's meant to throw the "hater" off balance and also to dismiss and discredit them in the eyes of others. It infers that the "hater" has no reasoning or justification for their views, that they are simply a miserable person who is narrow minded and unreasonably biased.
It really says more about the one invoking the word than the one it's supposedly describing.
It really says more about the one invoking the word than the one it's supposedly describing.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
We were never able to get a moratorium on "gushers" or on the use of "ADHD" to describe fans of the newer versions of Trek. Some fans are happy to express contempt for young folks who enjoy these things in their sigs. So don't hold your breath.
Dear lord. Let's just hope the guy in your avatar isn't just as childish.
Agreed - describing young folks as "know-nothing punks" for liking a movie is pretty childish.