Earth's Defenses

[PsychoPere]

(Spoiler Warning: Spoilers for SG-1, Atlantis, and U.S.-aired episodes of Universe are all fair game.)

With the possibility of a Lucian Alliance attack against Earth itself, I wanted to revisit and try to come up with a full list of what we know Earth's defensive capabilities are, not taking into account "conventional" human weaponry. I'm mainly thinking on a global scale here, rather than personal combat weapons like zat'ni'katels.

What does Earth have to defend itself with if the Lucian Alliance comes with a full-scale assault fleet?

For fighters & ships:

• F-302 multi-role fighters
• Puddle Jumpers
• U.S.S. Odyssey
• U.S.S. George Hammond
• Atlantis
• U.S.S. Daedalus (presuming it was repaired following "Enemy at the Gate")
• U.S.S. Apollo (presuming it was repaired following "Enemy at the Gate")
• Sun Tzu (presuming it was repaired following "Enemy at the Gate")

For technology & weapons:

• Chimera
• Arthur's Mantle
• Alteran knowledge database in Atlantis
• Asgard knowledge database
• Atlantus Outpost Super Weapon (the control chair was destroyed, but perhaps the Atlantis databases contain information on how to construct a new one or perhaps the Atlantis control chair itself can remotely take command)

Have I forgotten anything?

 

[Brent]

Great list! I was going to make a thread about this, cause they sounded worried about a LA attack on Earth, and I was wondering, WHY?

The LA have only Goa'uld level technology, taken over from what was left of it.

Earth has on more than one occasion defeated a Goa'uld attack on Earth.

We have a fully stocked (as in Drone Weapons) Atlantis, sitting right there on Earth, not to mention the outpost in Antarctica. All they have to do is fire the squiggly things and problem solved.

Then of course, we we do have Asgard weapons, their entire database, and Asgard beam weapons.

I mean, combine the tech we have from the Asgard, the Ancients, and of course what we know of Goa'uld technology, I don't see how the LA stands a chance.

 

[PsychoPere]

As we've seen in the past, Earth is still staggeringly vulnerable to cloaked ships. The Alliance could still pose a significant threat if they have enough ships with cloaking ability for a coordinated attack. In fact, if I were planning the Alliance's strategy for an attack on Earth, that is exactly how I would start. A sneak attack from cloaked ships on strategic targets, followed by the main force, could be devastating.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

I'm willing to bet that the LA wants to wipe out the population of the planet rather than conquer Earth. As such, the SGC is probably wondering if the LA haven't found a superweapon of their own to take out the whole deal. Right now, they probably have SG teams skulking all over the galaxy trying to find out how the LA are planning to attack, and WHY in the first place.

Mark

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I'm willing to bet that the LA wants to wipe out the population of the planet rather than conquer Earth. As such, the SGC is probably wondering if the LA haven't found a superweapon of their own to take out the whole deal. Right now, they probably have SG teams skulking all over the galaxy trying to find out how the LA are planning to attack, and WHY in the first place.

Mark

as to the why the LA and Earth have technically been at war since season 10 of SG-1 (at least I still think they are) after the LA tried to steal the Odyssey.

 

[Star Wolf]

Perhaps the Alliance goal is just a terrorist attack. To put their ship somewhere besides Antarctica so that the grand secret will get out and the Tau'ri would have to deal with political problems at home and leave them alone out in the galaxies.

 

[MilleniumLance]

I'm willing to bet that the LA wants to wipe out the population of the planet rather than conquer Earth. As such, the SGC is probably wondering if the LA haven't found a superweapon of their own to take out the whole deal. Right now, they probably have SG teams skulking all over the galaxy trying to find out how the LA are planning to attack, and WHY in the first place.

Mark

as to the why the LA and Earth have technically been at war since season 10 of SG-1 (at least I still think they are) after the LA tried to steal the Odyssey.

and killing its Commanding Officer [Emerson]

 

[Xerxus]

If they wanted to destroy Earth, there's not much Homeworld Command can do (other than cloak the planet)

1) Drop out of hyperspace near planet.
2) Drop nuke (or other similar devices)
3) Hyperspace out.

There isn't really enough time for Earth to respond. (even if they can detect a mothership or cargoship from hyperspace, they don't know exactly where it'll stop. Earth is a big planet.)

 

[MilleniumLance]

earth should have been building smaller [alkesh size] patrol/escort ships for homeworld defense just like we have coast guard with armed patrol boats and skiffs... fast and powerful response using the PBW[plasma beam weapon]

 

[The Wormhole]

The only way the Lucian Alliance would have a hope of attacking Earth is if they did something similar to what the renegade Jaffa were planning in Talion and Family Ties. That is, send a cloaked cargo ship with a naquadah bomb and detonate it near a city. The Lucian Alliance have cloaking technology which can't be detected by Earth's scanning technology. Launching an actual direct assault on Earth shouldn't be possible. A fleet of Asgard-enhanced BC-304s (one of which is enhanced futher with a ZPM) and the drones at the Antarctica outpost would tear apart a fleet of Ha'taks.

 

[PsychoPere]

Perhaps the Alliance goal is just a terrorist attack. To put their ship somewhere besides Antarctica so that the grand secret will get out and the Tau'ri would have to deal with political problems at home and leave them alone out in the galaxies.

I think that is more likely than a full-out assault on Earth.

[...] the drones at the Antarctica outpost [...]

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that, as far as we know as of "Enemy at the Gate," there is no way to control the drones in the Antarctic outpost because the Wraith dart kamikaze attack on Area 51 took out the control chair. Of course, they (presumably) still have Atlantis on Earth, which can fulfill that role just fine.

 

[The Wormhole]

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that, as far as we know as of "Enemy at the Gate," there is no way to control the drones in the Antarctic outpost because the Wraith dart kamikaze attack on Area 51 took out the control chair. Of course, they (presumably) still have Atlantis on Earth, which can fulfill that role just fine.

Do we seriously believe that Carter and or McKay with possible help from Dr. Lee didn't find an alternative way to launch the drones after losing the chair at Area 51?

 

[PsychoPere]

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that, as far as we know as of "Enemy at the Gate," there is no way to control the drones in the Antarctic outpost because the Wraith dart kamikaze attack on Area 51 took out the control chair. Of course, they (presumably) still have Atlantis on Earth, which can fulfill that role just fine.

Do we seriously believe that Carter and or McKay with possible help from Dr. Lee didn't find an alternative way to launch the drones after losing the chair at Area 51?

I do think it's possible, and I did mention a couple of possibilities similar to that in the opening post. And don't forget Zelenka; if they managed to do so, I bet he helped.

That said, it is still only supposition, which is why I placed it at the end of its list (similar to presuming the Daedalus-class ships disabled by the Wraith hiveship were repaired, but with no onscreen evidence as yet, I placed those at the end of the ships list as well).

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

You guys are assuming that the LA hasn't already planted bombs or whatnot on Earth in hidden areas.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

^Yeah, and we haven't actually seen Earth in a while...maybe the LA has already blown it up.

The LA...what a scary sounding villain. Sheesh, everybody run from the LA! No. Hallowed are the LA? No. Not very scary.

You'd think Atlantis' sensors that can pick up hiveships and what not when there lightyears away from the planet would do a little better now that they're on Earth. You'd also think the Tau'ri would have done a bit more digging into figuring out how the cloak on a cargo ship works.

 

[Meredith]

The Goa'uld are still around they just called themselves the Lucian Alliance and changed tactics....

Either that or the LA are pissed off Tollana survivors who want revenge on Earth and are re-building themselves....

A LA Ha'tak with Tollan weapons would be a fearsome thing to behold....

 

[Meredith]

As we've seen in the past, Earth is still staggeringly vulnerable to cloaked ships. The Alliance could still pose a significant threat if they have enough ships with cloaking ability for a coordinated attack. In fact, if I were planning the Alliance's strategy for an attack on Earth, that is exactly how I would start. A sneak attack from cloaked ships on strategic targets, followed by the main force, could be devastating.

Kamikaze cloaked cargo ships with naquada bombs spamming attacks on U.S. , Russian, Chinese, Indian, European, and Japanese cities would really suck and the LA could do it....

 

[SG-17]

If I remember correctly, Atlantis with a full complement of ZPMs can extend its shield over an entire planet.

 

[cylkoth]

The Goa'uld are still around they just called themselves the Lucian Alliance and changed tactics....

Either that or the LA are pissed off Tollana survivors who want revenge on Earth and are re-building themselves....

A LA Ha'tak with Tollan weapons would be a fearsome thing to behold....

The System Lords ruling structure was decimated by Anubis during his rise to power, then the Replicator attack crippled his consolidated forces. While there are still Gouald lurking about, they no longer possess the might and influence they had, since the Jaffa's uprising leaves them without the thug enforcers to hold onto their power.

The LA are mere humans who grabbed the ships and tech that the Replicators didn't manage to destroy.
Doubtful any surviving Tollanans would blame Earth for the Gouald's (Kronos?) taking out their homeworld. The Goualds were after them regardless of their relationship with Earth.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Doubtful any surviving Tollanans would blame Earth for the Gouald's (Kronos?) taking out their homeworld. The Goualds were after them regardless of their relationship with Earth.

Actually it was Anubis that took out their homeworld.