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Series 6 To Shoot In The US!

I agree, but what the hell is in Utah?

A Film Commission that gives you back 15-20% of whatever you spend there in Rebates.

If that's true, then it could be that while they're filming there, Utah is actually substituting for somewhere else.

I doubt it. Given the other American trappings (Oval Office, etc) I'd put my money on this being somehow connected to the Utah-set "Dalek" episode from 2005.

On the other hand, doesn't Utah have some salt deserts and the like? A Dubai-like situation might also be in play.

In any regard, it's about time they finally filmed over here. Way back in 1984 The Two Doctors was supposed to be filmed in New Orleans but they couldn't afford to do so back then. I'm not concerned about the show becoming Americanized - it's just time for DW to spread its wings a little. I'd love to see some proper episodes filmed here in Canada and in Japan, too.

Alex
 
One of the Spoiler Hints from the Brilliant Book Of DW mentioned Apollo 10.5 which would be a US 1960's set story. Presumably it gets launched from a secret site in the Utah Desert.
Historically, Vandenberg Air Force Base in California would fill that role; they had a full space launch facility, including facilities for manned flight, and many military satellites were launched from there. Why create a fictional launch facility when there's a perfectly good real facility? :)

You have far more faith in Doctor Who's ability to get obscure bits of foreign minutiae right than I do. ;)

A visit to the Oval Office eh? Sounds uncomfortably like Victory of the Daleks pt 2!

Don't tell me Nixon has the Doctor's phone number as well (though could be Johnson also, 'late sixties' isn't overly specific).

I can't possibly imagine that the Doctor would be good friends with either one of those war criminals. I can see him tolerating Johnson -- but he'd never get along with a monster like Nixon.

Re: The Oval Office.

Given that this would probably take place during Nixon's term, and given his predilection for overthrowing governments, I wonder if the Doctor was the guy who got Woodward and Bernstein to start investigating the Watergate break-in... ;)

Good point. After seeing the BBC America promo (with the TARDIS crashing into Texas), it occurred to me that the story could be primarily set in Texas, which is where NASA's headquarters are, assuming that the "Apollo 10.5" bit from the Brilliant Book is a genuine spoiler.

I've wondered if they may also trek out to Hollywood. If they're filming a scene (or scenes) in the Oval Office, why build a set when there are perfectly good standing White House sets in Hollywood? Like for The Event, for instance. It would be cheaper to rent a set for a day's filming than it would be to build the set.

Good call, and from my, admittedly non US background, it's my understanding that the appointments of the Oval Office haven't changed that much so standing sets now could quite easily be tweaked to represent the late 60s.

Well, just putting on my super-dork hat for a minute, the drapes and carpets are always different from President to President, and neither Johnson nor Nixon used the Resolute Desk that is traditionally used and which is usually replicated in the various Oval Office sets used for TV shows and films that feature the President. But those are probably relatively minor adjustments that would only take a few hours to make -- and wouldn't strictly be necessary, since it's not like Doctor Who absolutely needs to adhere to every minute detail of historical accuracy.

(Though I will admit that it really bugged me to see the Interstate Highway System logo on the 1947 Roswell, New Mexico, sign in "Dreamland." Goddamnit, the Interstate Highway System didn't even exist until the '50s...)

BTW: Allyn, do you happen to know if the Oval Office set used for The Event is new, or if it's one of the standing sets that were around throughout the last decade? I know that the Oval Office seen in The West Wing was originally built for the movie Dave before being used in The American President and then The West Wing, and also appeared briefly in Smallville. And I want to say that I remember reading that the Oval Office set featured in X-Men 2 was used for Commander-in-Chief.

Yup, and if he's that easy to call then it makes a bit of a mockery of the character. I mean why can't he help defeat Hitler?

Fixed points in time, presumably. To be fair, "The Pandorica Opens" made it clear that even attempts to call the Doctor don't always work.

On the other hand, doesn't Utah have some salt deserts and the like?

It would be more accurate to say, "Doesn't that giant salt desert called Utah have a few cities and the like?" ;)
 
I can't possibly imagine that the Doctor would be good friends with either one of those war criminals. I can see him tolerating Johnson -- but he'd never get along with a monster like Nixon.

Well, this is the same man who was a friend of Chairman Mao...
 
^Tsk! Come on StCoop, if it didn't happen after 2005, it doesn't exist in Sci's world... ;)
 
^Tsk! Come on StCoop, if it didn't happen after 2005, it doesn't exist in Sci's world... ;)

I really don't give a shit whether it's from DW TOS or modern DW. That's not the point. The point is, how could anyone write the Doctor as being old friends with one of the most notorious mass murderers in human history?

What next, the Doctor reminiscing about the times he used to hang out with Idi Amin and Augusto Pinochet?

The TARDIS Index File entry for The Mind of Evil seems to leave open the possibility that the Doctor is just lying to the Chinese delegate to the World Peace Conference to impress him, though.
 
^Tsk! Come on StCoop, if it didn't happen after 2005, it doesn't exist in Sci's world... ;)

I really don't give a shit whether it's from DW TOS or modern DW. That's not the point. The point is, how could anyone write the Doctor as being old friends with one of the most notorious mass murderers in human history?

Are we talking about the same Doctor who killed off his own people and the bulk of the Dalek race at the same time? I mean he's just as big of a mass murder at times as anybody in human history.:shrug:
 
^Tsk! Come on StCoop, if it didn't happen after 2005, it doesn't exist in Sci's world... ;)

I really don't give a shit whether it's from DW TOS or modern DW. That's not the point. The point is, how could anyone write the Doctor as being old friends with one of the most notorious mass murderers in human history?

Are we talking about the same Doctor who killed off his own people and the bulk of the Dalek race at the same time? I mean he's just as big of a mass murder at times as anybody in human history.:shrug:

I don't think that's a fair comparison. For one thing, it looked to me like those two hundred or so Time Lords we saw in "The End of Time" were literally all that was left of the Time Lord civilization. Gallifrey was on the verge of falling. And as for the Daleks, I question whether or not most Daleks are actually sapient entities capable of free will and therefore entitled to equal rights.

And both the remainders of the Time Lord and Dalek civilizations were, let's recall, hell-bent on committing genocide against literally everything else in the universe -- and there was, apparently, no other way to stop them, to stop the Time War, or to save the universe from the Time Lords' final sanction.

Hardly comparable to killing millions of innocent people for political purposes.
 
Sorry to be go ot , but well, regarding the Daleks and free will-the Daleks as originally written were mainly the devolved survivors of a war on Skaro. Several of the old comic strips even included looks at what was inside the Dalek, which were squat blue bipedal humanoids that strongly resembled the Guardians from the Green Lantern comic books but were pretty much stuck in the Dalek battle armor.


Later stories made them blobby and tentacled though, and Genesis of the Daleks revealed that Daleks are programmed and conditioned. Not sure if the mutants are made like this or the computer in the suit does it.

Then again several of the post-Genesis stories-and even the new series-have more or less made them sort of like Vulcans-No emotions and an over-reliance on logic (Hence their problem with the Movellans and vice versa in Destiny of the Daleks.). Except Vulcans aren't green blobs, just green blooded.
 
I really don't give a shit whether it's from DW TOS or modern DW. That's not the point. The point is, how could anyone write the Doctor as being old friends with one of the most notorious mass murderers in human history?

Are we talking about the same Doctor who killed off his own people and the bulk of the Dalek race at the same time? I mean he's just as big of a mass murder at times as anybody in human history.:shrug:

I don't think that's a fair comparison. For one thing, it looked to me like those two hundred or so Time Lords we saw in "The End of Time" were literally all that was left of the Time Lord civilization. Gallifrey was on the verge of falling. And as for the Daleks, I question whether or not most Daleks are actually sapient entities capable of free will and therefore entitled to equal rights.

And both the remainders of the Time Lord and Dalek civilizations were, let's recall, hell-bent on committing genocide against literally everything else in the universe -- and there was, apparently, no other way to stop them, to stop the Time War, or to save the universe from the Time Lords' final sanction.

Hardly comparable to killing millions of innocent people for political purposes.

The Counsil member in The End Of Time said there's millions of people dying everyday at the heart of the Time War and somehow I don't think the Time Lords that we saw were responsible for all those Dalek saucers on the ground. And in Dalek the Doctor said there were ten million Dalek ships on fire and he caused it, so yes it's the same thing. And after all he started the war in thefirst place.

The Doctor: They're never gonna come! Your race is dead! You all burned, all of you! Ten million ships on fire; the entire Dalek race wiped out in one second!Dalek: YOU LIE!The Doctor: I watched it happen! I MADE IT HAPPEN!
Murder is murder in my eyes and the Doctor is hardly an innocent man.
 
The Counsil member in The End Of Time said there's millions of people dying everyday at the heart of the Time War

The Partisan also said that Gallifrey was at the furthest edge of the Time War. To me, that implied that most of the Time War's victims were members of other species caught in the crossfire.

and somehow I don't think the Time Lords that we saw were responsible for all those Dalek saucers on the ground.

I think they were. Time Lord weaponry is presumably quite advanced; no reason to think even an extremely depleted Time Lord population couldn't repel one last assault before the barbarians finally overwhelmed the gates.

And in Dalek the Doctor said there were ten million Dalek ships on fire and he caused it, so yes it's the same thing.

Only if you think that most Daleks are sentient creatures with rights and for whom killing one is an act of murder. I'm not convinced that's the case.
 
Still have to admit though that the Doctor isn't all peaches and cream though Sci. I'm convinced that he would have killed the 456 in COE instead of making any deals with him. He kills as an absolute last resort and normally after letting the aggressor make the first move, but I agree with your point that it's hard to picture any incarnation of the Doctor hanging out with Nixon.
 
Only if you think that most Daleks are sentient creatures with rights and for whom killing one is an act of murder. I'm not convinced that's the case.

The fourth Doctor did.

The Doctor : "If someone who knew the future, pointed out a child to you and told you that that child would grow up totally evil, to be a ruthless dictator who would destroy millions of lives... could you then kill that child?"
Sarah Jane Smith : "We're talking about the Daleks. The most evil creatures ever invented. You must destroy them. You must complete your mission for the Time Lords!"
The Doctor : "Do I have the right? Simply touch one wire against the other and that's it. The Daleks cease to exist. Hundreds of millions of people, thousands of generations can live without fear... in peace, and never even know the word "Dalek"."
Sarah Jane Smith : "Then why wait? If it was a disease or some sort of bacteria you were destroying, you wouldn't hesitate."
The Doctor : "But if I kill. Wipe out a whole intelligent life form, then I become like them. I'd be no better than the Daleks."
 
Still have to admit though that the Doctor isn't all peaches and cream though Sci. I'm convinced that he would have killed the 456 in COE instead of making any deals with him. He kills as an absolute last resort and normally after letting the aggressor make the first move, but I agree with your point that it's hard to picture any incarnation of the Doctor hanging out with Nixon.

And yet in one of the books the Doctor saves Hitler's life in Munich.
 
Can't we keep politics out of it like the received wisdom is the objective truth? I quite rate old Dick Nixon myself.
 
Nixon is evil...why I remember the time he had Bender's body and...

Nixon, probably not high on anyone's list of great Presidents, but calling him a war criminal is probably a bit much, especially when he inherited the war.

Me I always had a sneaking admiration for LBJ, people forget that he was responsible for ushering in most of the civil rights legislation of the 60s, JFK just talked about it, it was LBJ who did it.
 
Still have to admit though that the Doctor isn't all peaches and cream though Sci. I'm convinced that he would have killed the 456 in COE instead of making any deals with him.
I think it depends on the Doctor. Would the Doctor kill the 456?

One? Yes.
Two? Absolutely.
Three? Ehh, maybe not.
Four? Yes.
Five? No.
Six? No.
Seven? Yes.
Eight? Insufficient data. (But lean toward no.)
Richard E. Grant? Insufficient data. (But lean toward yes.)
Nine? No.
Ten? No. (Unless Paul Cornell writes him, in which case, yes.)
Eleven? Jury's still out, but probably no.

That's how I see each Doctor dealing with the 456.
 
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