V'Lar instead of T'Pol?

[SFRabid]

I really like what JB did with the role of T'Pol but my favorite Vulcan of the series is V'Lar, the ambassador played by Fionnula Flanagan. What do you think would change if she was the Vulcan assigned to Enterprise?

My first thought is maybe Archer would not make so many stupid decisions in the first season or two.

My second thought is Trip and Hoshi.

 

[I am Surak]

Frankly, V'Lar in a catsuit would make me pound nails into my eyeballs but hey, it is your fantasy so enjoy!

 

[Brolan]

What you needed was someone with the talent of V'Lar and the body of T'Pol.

 

[SFRabid]

Frankly, V'Lar in a catsuit would make me pound nails into my eyeballs but hey, it is your fantasy so enjoy!

I don't remember saying anything about V'Lar in a catsuit, or seeing her in one during that episode... But hey, if that is the first thought that comes to your mind, ....

 

[JiNX-01]

Frankly, V'Lar in a catsuit would make me pound nails into my eyeballs but hey, it is your fantasy so enjoy!

Well, we certainly wouldn't want to see Munsters of Vulcan walking around with nails protruding from his eyeballs, would we? Note to the snarky membership: Don't answer that.

Season 1: V'Lar is appointed as an adviser to Archer during first contacts. T'Pol is her catsuited aide.
Season 2: V'Lar is killed in a first contact gone wrong in the season premiere and catsuited T'Pol is appointed to replace her.

 

[I am Surak]

The Vulcan Science officer has to wear the catsuit. I always assumed that that is how it was explained to T'Pol when she got the assignment......

 

[I am Surak]

Well, we certainly wouldn't want to see Munsters of Vulcan walking around with nails protruding from his eyeballs, would we? Note to the snarky membership: Don't answer that.

Season 1: V'Lar is appointed as an adviser to Archer during first contacts. T'Pol is her catsuited aide.
Season 2: V'Lar is killed in a first contact gone wrong in the season premiere and catsuited T'Pol is appointed to replace her.

I did the nail thing once before when Diana Rigg was replaced on the Avengers and in retrospect it was not very smart of me. But in the case of the catsuited V'Lar I would have to leave the nail option open as stated before.

I remember T'Lar from Fallen hero but cannot place her in Shockwave part 2. I really need to buy the DVD set...

 

[Admiral Shran]

I really like what JB did with the role of T'Pol but my favorite Vulcan of the series is V'Lar, the ambassador played by Fionnula Flanagan. What do you think would change if she was the Vulcan assigned to Enterprise?

My first thought is maybe Archer would not make so many stupid decisions in the first season or two.

My second thought is Trip and Hoshi.

I didn't particularly like the way Flanagan played V'Lar. So I'll gladly take Jolene Blalock.

And, T'Pol did her best to keep Archer from making stupid decisions. I don't see how another character would have fared any differently.

 

[JiNX-01]

Well, we certainly wouldn't want to see Munsters of Vulcan walking around with nails protruding from his eyeballs, would we? Note to the snarky membership: Don't answer that.

Season 1: V'Lar is appointed as an adviser to Archer during first contacts. T'Pol is her catsuited aide.
Season 2: V'Lar is killed in a first contact gone wrong in the season premiere and catsuited T'Pol is appointed to replace her.

I did the nail thing once before when Diana Rigg was replaced on the Avengers and in retrospect it was not very smart of me. But in the case of the catsuited V'Lar I would have to leave the nail option open as stated before.

I remember T'Lar from Fallen hero but cannot place her in Shockwave part 2. I really need to buy the DVD set...

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to confuse anyone (least of all someone with nails in his eyeballs).

I did a retcon of ENT to get V'Lar into season one and dump her in season 2 so sexy catsuited T'Pol would be the only Vulcan left on the ship.

 

[I am Surak]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to confuse anyone (least of all someone with nails in his eyeballs).

I really appreciate the caring side of you Jinx

 

[star]

Answering the OP... Nope, nope, nope.

I would have enjoyed seeing her as a regular, perhaps. Ying to Soval's Yang? (Non-romantically, I have other ideas for him in the more... intimate manner. )

Would Archer have listened to any Vulcan better than he did T'Pol? I think not.

And while I never rain on anyone's ship parade... the Trip and Hoshi dynamic for me has always been big brother and little sister. But eh... to each their own.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I loved V'Lar, and wished they'd brought her back in the later seasons.

I could have seen her onboard as an advisor, maybe manning communications, which would mean that Hoshi could have been the Science Officer instead.

As for the catsuit...well whatever floats your boat.

Hoshi and Trip I always saw more as a brother-sister kinda thing, if she'd started dating Mayweather he might have gotten to do something (no pun intended...ok, maybe a little one ).

-Bry

 

[JiNX-01]

Hoshi and Trip I always saw more as a brother-sister kinda thing, if she'd started dating Mayweather he might have gotten to do something (no pun intended...ok, maybe a little one ).

-Bry

For me it's Hoshi/Malcolm.

Trip and Cutler could have been cute (less of a for me than Phlox and Cutler).

 

[Shatnertage]

Well, we certainly wouldn't want to see Munsters of Vulcan walking around with nails protruding from his eyeballs, would we? Note to the snarky membership: Don't answer that.

Season 1: V'Lar is appointed as an adviser to Archer during first contacts. T'Pol is her catsuited aide.
Season 2: V'Lar is killed in a first contact gone wrong in the season premiere and catsuited T'Pol is appointed to replace her.

I like these ideas. And V'Lar didn't need a catsuit to be a compelling character.

 

[I am Surak]

V'Lar is a very cosmopolitan woman with real world views. I think she would have lacked T'Pol's best quality: To give in once Archer ends the conversation by pulling rank.

 

[JiNX-01]

V'Lar is a very cosmopolitan woman with real world views. I think she would have lacked T'Pol's best quality: To give in once Archer ends the conversation by pulling rank.

OK. So you think she should fall like a house of cards, yielding to his ignorance and stubbornness instead of doing a better job of making her case, based on her considerable experience and his total lack of experience.

 

[I am Surak]

Archer knew from experience that us Vulcans were holding back Mankind on purpose.
T'Pol's or V'Lar's comments and recommandations were considered with a grain of salt by him. At a certain point further discussion is moot. T'Pol knew when to quit. I doubt that V'Lar could have done so.

 

[SFRabid]

But V'Lar's quitting point would be much later than T'Pol's, and with good reason. V'Lar had much more experience with aliens than T'Pol. V'Lar was a diplomat with a forceful presence. T'Pol was a science officer with a "don't hurt me" build. That is a very different dynamic when dealing with aliens which is what Archer always had trouble with.

 

[I am Surak]

T'Pol was a science officer with a "don't hurt me" build.

If this refers to physical fitness I would like to point to the Marauders episode where T'Pol neutralizes Klingons three times her size. I doubt it that V'lar could have done that.

V'lar is a politician and capable of talking up a storm. But T'Pol is the quiet gifted scientist type that releases information as needed. She is clearly the more superior choice for Science Officer.

 

[bluedana]

V'Lar has her good points and her bad points. This was a woman who allowed Enterprise to be ambushed because she patronizingly didn't trust the captain enough to let him in on her secret mission. Which led to the mission only being salvaged because T'Pol had cultivated enough of a relationship with Archer that he would do what she wanted just because she asked him to. V'Lar also wanted to give herself up to the bad guys without a fight. So I'm not sure she's such a paragon of wisdom. T'Pol was much more flexible in her thinking and dealing with humans. I think V'lar and Archer would have butted heads WAY too much -- and Archer would not always have been wrong.