The end scene of "Flesh and Stone"

[The]

Remember the 11th Hour where she basically stared at the doctor whilst he got nekkid with a wry smile on her face? It's pretty much implied from the start that she has sexual feelings for him, which isn't really surprising given he was probably her first love (even before she was aware of her sexuality he was a fantasy figure in her life so who knows how she started to view him once puberty began.)

As for the catalyst, the catalyst was that she'd just almost died, and as a result got extremely horny! All her fears and fantasies merged togeather at that one point. Traumatic situations have strange effects on people (just check out birthrates 9 months after major disasters/incidents!)

I know people like to equate sex with love, but you have to accept that not everyone sees it this way, and many can seperate the physical and emotional acts, which is clearly what Amy was doing there; she didn't profess her great love for the Doctor, or say she wanted to marry him, she just wanted a shag right there at that minute, having survived death at the hands of the angels, with the man she'd been fantasising about in myriad ways since she was a small child, on the eve of her wedding to a man she clearly loves but just isn't sure she loves enough, or that she wants to bind herself to him and Ledworth for life.

In many respects at that moment Amy is probably the most realistic companion we've ever had: flawed, scared, horny, confused. She's a flirty individual, maybe too flirty at times, and Rory has clearly been a bit of a doormat in their relationship (although you can almost imagine that at times he must be the one that wears the trousers, the sensible practical one).

Agreed! Exactly what I'm saying. Amy wanted to get laid. Nothing more, nothing less. She is being portrayed as a realistic girl, rather than a soap opera romance figure ala' Rose/Martha/Most any woman that met the Doctor during RTD's era. There's nothing in Season Five to suggest otherwise. She implicitly stated that she wasn't interested in The Doc for anything more than to get some. There's no other option to accept the moment than how it's written. Otherwise, it's just the viewer making up fantasies and Slash-FanFics about romance and "love" for their own satisfaction.

The "getting laid" scene is the moment I fell in love with Amy. It's the moment she stopped being a written character and became a real, imperfect, lustful, irrational human being like the rest of us. Clearly, the single most believable female character written for Doctor Who since...ever.

 

[Checkmate]

The "getting laid" scene is the moment I fell in love with Amy. It's the moment she stopped being a written character and became a real, imperfect, lustful, irrational human being like the rest of us. Clearly, the single most believable female character written for Doctor Who since...ever.

Which basically translates to "I've never even kissed a girl before, but I like to pretend this is how they really are." That scene was not believable in any way, shape, or form without Amy having been intoxicated, drugged, or otherwise having her inhibitions suppressed. It was completely out of left field.

Checking out the Doctor when he stripped: Perfectly fine. Flirting with him: Same. Letting him know she's interested: Ditto. Turning into a raging slut on the verge of all but raping the Doctor: Not so much. Whatever delusional fantasy world you live in notwithstanding.

 

[The]

The "getting laid" scene is the moment I fell in love with Amy. It's the moment she stopped being a written character and became a real, imperfect, lustful, irrational human being like the rest of us. Clearly, the single most believable female character written for Doctor Who since...ever.

Which basically translates to "I've never even kissed a girl before, but I like to pretend this is how they really are."

Oh dear. My wife is going to be very confused, then.

That scene was not believable in any way, shape, or form without Amy having been intoxicated, drugged, or otherwise having her inhibitions suppressed. It was completely out of left field.

Checking out the Doctor when he stripped: Perfectly fine. Flirting with him: Same. Letting him know she's interested: Ditto. Turning into a raging slut on the verge of all but raping the Doctor: Not so much. Whatever delusional fantasy world you live in notwithstanding.

Listen, kid, just because you haven't ever had a wild time with a wild woman doesn't mean they don't happen. Denying it as fact just roots you in the category you attempted to apply to me. You are still allowed to fantasize about the virtuous morality of your Amy Pond. No one's going to say you can't, okay? Now, calm down.

 

[Professor Zoom]

OK, explain to how Amy coming on to the Doctor has ANYTHING to do with Auton Rory staying with the Pandorica for 2000 years, the two events aren't related. And Rory didn't think of what he was doing as being heroic so I don't know where you're getting that from, Rory simply loved Amy but by going after the Doctor on the eve of her weddinig I have to wonder about her feelings for him.

Rory saw Amy's sexual attraction to the 11th Doctor--in the Eleventh Hour--her coming onto the Doctor shows she has strong sexual attraction to the Doctor, the Doctor says, hey, you're getting married, I should make sure that happens, let me get Rory.

He takes Rory and Amy on a trip through time and space, hoping for them to come to get together (as well as explore why Amy is so special to the Universe). Rory continues to feel upstaged by the Doctor (because he IS awesome). And perhaps even AMY questions her feelings for Rory...

But, in the end, RORY is the one that stays next to her, risking his life, risking madness because he loves her. Amy sees that RORY is the man for her (thereby resolving her conflicting emotions) and Rory recognizes, Hey, I'm pretty fabulous too (thereby resolving his own issues.)

So, that's why Amy coming onto the Doctor is important...

Complication, it's what makes good drama.

 

[DimesDan]

The "getting laid" scene is the moment I fell in love with Amy. It's the moment she stopped being a written character and became a real, imperfect, lustful, irrational human being like the rest of us. Clearly, the single most believable female character written for Doctor Who since...ever.

Which basically translates to "I've never even kissed a girl before, but I like to pretend this is how they really are." That scene was not believable in any way, shape, or form without Amy having been intoxicated, drugged, or otherwise having her inhibitions suppressed. It was completely out of left field.

Checking out the Doctor when he stripped: Perfectly fine. Flirting with him: Same. Letting him know she's interested: Ditto. Turning into a raging slut on the verge of all but raping the Doctor: Not so much. Whatever delusional fantasy world you live in notwithstanding.

Your own inhibitions and narrow view is clouding your opinion on this matter.

I've met, even dated a few women similar to Amy, they do exist and there is nothing wrong with it what so ever.

 

[captcalhoun]

could i get their numbers?

 

[DWF]

OK, explain to how Amy coming on to the Doctor has ANYTHING to do with Auton Rory staying with the Pandorica for 2000 years, the two events aren't related. And Rory didn't think of what he was doing as being heroic so I don't know where you're getting that from, Rory simply loved Amy but by going after the Doctor on the eve of her weddinig I have to wonder about her feelings for him.

Rory saw Amy's sexual attraction to the 11th Doctor--in the Eleventh Hour--her coming onto the Doctor shows she has strong sexual attraction to the Doctor, the Doctor says, hey, you're getting married, I should make sure that happens, let me get Rory.

He takes Rory and Amy on a trip through time and space, hoping for them to come to get together (as well as explore why Amy is so special to the Universe). Rory continues to feel upstaged by the Doctor (because he IS awesome). And perhaps even AMY questions her feelings for Rory...

But, in the end, RORY is the one that stays next to her, risking his life, risking madness because he loves her. Amy sees that RORY is the man for her (thereby resolving her conflicting emotions) and Rory recognizes, Hey, I'm pretty fabulous too (thereby resolving his own issues.)

So, that's why Amy coming onto the Doctor is important...

Complication, it's what makes good drama.

Rory had forgetten about even being an Auton until after the Doctor turned up at their wedding, so I think you're projecting your own feelings onto him. In the end Rory had to die to turn into an Auton otherwise he could've stayed with the Pandorica for 2000 years.

 

[Starkers]

The "getting laid" scene is the moment I fell in love with Amy. It's the moment she stopped being a written character and became a real, imperfect, lustful, irrational human being like the rest of us. Clearly, the single most believable female character written for Doctor Who since...ever.

Which basically translates to "I've never even kissed a girl before, but I like to pretend this is how they really are." That scene was not believable in any way, shape, or form without Amy having been intoxicated, drugged, or otherwise having her inhibitions suppressed. It was completely out of left field.

Checking out the Doctor when he stripped: Perfectly fine. Flirting with him: Same. Letting him know she's interested: Ditto. Turning into a raging slut on the verge of all but raping the Doctor: Not so much. Whatever delusional fantasy world you live in notwithstanding.

Your own inhibitions and narrow view is clouding your opinion on this matter.

I've met, even dated a few women similar to Amy, they do exist and there is nothing wrong with it what so ever.

Ditto..and she was Scottish too!

 

[Professor Zoom]

OK, explain to how Amy coming on to the Doctor has ANYTHING to do with Auton Rory staying with the Pandorica for 2000 years, the two events aren't related. And Rory didn't think of what he was doing as being heroic so I don't know where you're getting that from, Rory simply loved Amy but by going after the Doctor on the eve of her weddinig I have to wonder about her feelings for him.

Rory saw Amy's sexual attraction to the 11th Doctor--in the Eleventh Hour--her coming onto the Doctor shows she has strong sexual attraction to the Doctor, the Doctor says, hey, you're getting married, I should make sure that happens, let me get Rory.

He takes Rory and Amy on a trip through time and space, hoping for them to come to get together (as well as explore why Amy is so special to the Universe). Rory continues to feel upstaged by the Doctor (because he IS awesome). And perhaps even AMY questions her feelings for Rory...

But, in the end, RORY is the one that stays next to her, risking his life, risking madness because he loves her. Amy sees that RORY is the man for her (thereby resolving her conflicting emotions) and Rory recognizes, Hey, I'm pretty fabulous too (thereby resolving his own issues.)

So, that's why Amy coming onto the Doctor is important...

Complication, it's what makes good drama.

Rory had forgetten about even being an Auton until after the Doctor turned up at their wedding, so I think you're projecting your own feelings onto him. In the end Rory had to die to turn into an Auton otherwise he could've stayed with the Pandorica for 2000 years.

I really don't think I'm projecting. Sorry.

As far as Rory forgetting... AMY ALSO forgot...(including the Doctor) but then SHE remembered the events AS DID RORY.

Those events HAPPENED to them, regardless if the Universe rebooted or not.

There's a story arc there, and a good chunk of the story has to do with Amy and Rory and their relationship--and her feelings towards her imaginary friend, who happened to be real.

You don't see it that way, that's fine. I don't really care.

What I DO care about is people arguing for less complication in drama... who wants boring straight ahead simple drama? ESPECIALLY in Doctor Who? (Which not only is great science fiction but in this incarnation, has also become fantastic character drama as well.)

 

[DWF]

Rory saw Amy's sexual attraction to the 11th Doctor--in the Eleventh Hour--her coming onto the Doctor shows she has strong sexual attraction to the Doctor, the Doctor says, hey, you're getting married, I should make sure that happens, let me get Rory.

He takes Rory and Amy on a trip through time and space, hoping for them to come to get together (as well as explore why Amy is so special to the Universe). Rory continues to feel upstaged by the Doctor (because he IS awesome). And perhaps even AMY questions her feelings for Rory...

But, in the end, RORY is the one that stays next to her, risking his life, risking madness because he loves her. Amy sees that RORY is the man for her (thereby resolving her conflicting emotions) and Rory recognizes, Hey, I'm pretty fabulous too (thereby resolving his own issues.)

So, that's why Amy coming onto the Doctor is important...

Complication, it's what makes good drama.

Rory had forgetten about even being an Auton until after the Doctor turned up at their wedding, so I think you're projecting your own feelings onto him. In the end Rory had to die to turn into an Auton otherwise he could've stayed with the Pandorica for 2000 years.

I really don't think I'm projecting. Sorry.

As far as Rory forgetting... AMY ALSO forgot...(including the Doctor) but then SHE remembered the events AS DID RORY.

Those events HAPPENED to them, regardless if the Universe rebooted or not.

There's a story arc there, and a good chunk of the story has to do with Amy and Rory and their relationship--and her feelings towards her imaginary friend, who happened to be real.

You don't see it that way, that's fine. I don't really care.

What I DO care about is people arguing for less complication in drama... who wants boring straight ahead simple drama? ESPECIALLY in Doctor Who? (Which not only is great science fiction but in this incarnation, has also become fantastic character drama as well.)

No, it's not a matter of increasing or decreasing drama, it's about economy of effort and doing what's right for the character and as you can see Amy's motives are suspect, you can see that in this thread alone.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Rory had forgetten about even being an Auton until after the Doctor turned up at their wedding, so I think you're projecting your own feelings onto him. In the end Rory had to die to turn into an Auton otherwise he could've stayed with the Pandorica for 2000 years.

I really don't think I'm projecting. Sorry.

As far as Rory forgetting... AMY ALSO forgot...(including the Doctor) but then SHE remembered the events AS DID RORY.

Those events HAPPENED to them, regardless if the Universe rebooted or not.

There's a story arc there, and a good chunk of the story has to do with Amy and Rory and their relationship--and her feelings towards her imaginary friend, who happened to be real.

You don't see it that way, that's fine. I don't really care.

What I DO care about is people arguing for less complication in drama... who wants boring straight ahead simple drama? ESPECIALLY in Doctor Who? (Which not only is great science fiction but in this incarnation, has also become fantastic character drama as well.)

No, it's not a matter of increasing or decreasing drama, it's about economy of effort and doing what's right for the character and as you can see Amy's motives are suspect, you can see that in this thread alone.

No, what I see in this thread is people uncomfortable with sexuality, specifically a woman being aggressive in her sexuality.

 

[Captain Pike]

What I see is a bit of a pissing match, really.. It's getting kinda old, though.

 

[Pindar]

So is this thread a joke or not? Surely people don't believe women have to be drugged or drunk to want to have sex and if they do that makes them whores?

 

[Starkers]

So is this thread a joke or not? Surely people don't believe women have to be drugged or drunk to want to have sex and if they do that makes them whores?

This does seem to be the crux of it. Basically Amy having the temerirty to act like a bloke.

As Catherine Tate might say "How very dare she!"

 

[Bob The Skutter]

So is this thread a joke or not? Surely people don't believe women have to be drugged or drunk to want to have sex and if they do that makes them whores?

No, it makes them cock starved sluts, apparently. Seriously this thread isn't even funny any more. Some seriously warped views of female sexuality. Seriously you'd think it was some of the people in this thread that Amy had almost cheated on with their reactions.

 

[DWF]

I really don't think I'm projecting. Sorry.

As far as Rory forgetting... AMY ALSO forgot...(including the Doctor) but then SHE remembered the events AS DID RORY.

Those events HAPPENED to them, regardless if the Universe rebooted or not.

There's a story arc there, and a good chunk of the story has to do with Amy and Rory and their relationship--and her feelings towards her imaginary friend, who happened to be real.

You don't see it that way, that's fine. I don't really care.

What I DO care about is people arguing for less complication in drama... who wants boring straight ahead simple drama? ESPECIALLY in Doctor Who? (Which not only is great science fiction but in this incarnation, has also become fantastic character drama as well.)

No, it's not a matter of increasing or decreasing drama, it's about economy of effort and doing what's right for the character and as you can see Amy's motives are suspect, you can see that in this thread alone.

No, what I see in this thread is people uncomfortable with sexuality, specifically a woman being aggressive in her sexuality.

Hardly, even if that were true at the very least she coul've gotten agressive with the man she's going to marry. We know how Rory feels he's about to marry a supermodel but we don't know what her feels are towards Rory and it's alittle suspect when comes on to somebody else.

Also it's alittle odd that people want a prewatershed show to be even more racier than the scene. Let alone that's somehow OK for Amy to do what she did.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^Plenty of pre-watershed shows are racier than this. And it is OK for Amy to be like that, how many shows and movies have blokes having one last fling on his last night as a free man and no one bats an eyelid at that.

 

[Admiral_Young]

This thread has gotten old and boring with the same arguments back and forth without anyone coming to a consensus or conclusion. It's like I said back in my post that seem to have got ignored, the majority of the people seem to not only dislike the shipper stuff or like the way it's written which is fine that's their opinion.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

I ignored your post because I disagree about the majority of people disliking it.

 

[DAK]

And I see nobody has said anything about Rory cheering on the stripper to jump out of the cake. Was that awful of him or was that just one of those "boys will be boys" things?