Spider-Man: One More Day, One Moment in Time and Joe Q
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Yet MJ just returned after a lengthy absence so that theory doesn't really make sense.
Hey, at least he got to have kinky sex with the Black Cat a few times.
If only these issues were under the MAX imprint we would have gotten a lot more to see
It seems implied from the previews from "Big Time" that Peter will continue his relationship with Felicia.
Sounds like it's the aftermath of 1985 all over again.
I'm waiting for a wave of antimatter to destroy Earth-616, Earth-1610, Earth-712, Earth-2149, Earth-31916, and Joe Q's office.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
So, does this mean that Pete & MJ will become wedded again at the end of this coming storyline?
Well, there's a lot about it that doesn't make sense; I think we can all stipulate to that. But as far as this particular point is concerned, I have the impression that a fair amount of time is supposed to have passed in the interval between OMD and BND. Not sure if that resolves the discrepancy, though; no matter what, this is going to have some huge discrepancies and holes in it.
I should have been clearer on my point...in the early going of Brand New Day before MJ returned it was implied that she and Peter hadn't seen each other since the wedding incident. My main point is that they've altered so much back story between the two characters and yet still claim the events happened without explanation as to how it happened different that it adds to Joe Q's forceful handling of this change.
Maybe they can retcon it again by introducing another Hawkman -- oops, Spider-Man, to account for the married stories.
What?
And now we have the next instalment of the interview - Cup O'M.I.T.: Choices Made
I think based on this comment - isn't it clear that the whole point of OMIT was to somehow say that Peter didn't make a deal with the devil (in this continuity) since that was one of the major criticism from the fans - that they could not imagine Peter (who is almost as noble as Cap America/Steve Rogers, but in a smaller, less-spectacular way) making a deal with the devil.
If you were one of these persons, does it satisfy you? I mean the deal happened but in a different continuity. Based on the deal, something got flipped way back when and now, in current continuity, no deals with the devil. It's all Peter!
Also - is this one of those cultural things? I remember reading about how people in certain cultures would answer differently to the question of "If your boat carrying your mother, your wife and your child capsized, and you could save only one, who would you save?" with some cultures (I forget who) saving the mother. I ask cos Peter and MJ give up their love/marriage to save Aunt May in OMD and then in OMIT MJ gives up on her relationship with Peter due to the threat to Aunt Watson!
I know Quesada probably implies a Latino heritage but I don't know whether he has spent any time living outside of America.
I think based on this comment - isn't it clear that the whole point of OMIT was to somehow say that Peter didn't make a deal with the devil (in this continuity) since that was one of the major criticism from the fans - that they could not imagine Peter (who is almost as noble as Cap America/Steve Rogers, but in a smaller, less-spectacular way) making a deal with the devil.
If you were one of these persons, does it satisfy you? I mean the deal happened but in a different continuity. Based on the deal, something got flipped way back when and now, in current continuity, no deals with the devil. It's all Peter!
Also - is this one of those cultural things? I remember reading about how people in certain cultures would answer differently to the question of "If your boat carrying your mother, your wife and your child capsized, and you could save only one, who would you save?" with some cultures (I forget who) saving the mother. I ask cos Peter and MJ give up their love/marriage to save Aunt May in OMD and then in OMIT MJ gives up on her relationship with Peter due to the threat to Aunt Watson!
I know Quesada probably implies a Latino heritage but I don't know whether he has spent any time living outside of America.
Well he's made his mark on Spider-Man at least and sounds pretty damn proud about it, oh and Joe it wasn't Peter, it was you.
@Dusty...no Peter and MJ aren't remarried or back together. They basically just told each other's stories of the events that happened that day and agreed to be friends. "The Origin of the Species" arc (which has actually been fun despite the arc) has MJ helping Harry and Lilly while Peter attempts to protect her's and Norman's kid. Peter is supposed to be getting a new job, new girlfriend, and new gadgets when "The Big Time" starts in a couple months.
@Dusty...no Peter and MJ aren't remarried or back together. They basically just told each other's stories of the events that happened that day and agreed to be friends. "The Origin of the Species" arc (which has actually been fun despite the arc) has MJ helping Harry and Lilly while Peter attempts to protect her's and Norman's kid. Peter is supposed to be getting a new job, new girlfriend, and new gadgets when "The Big Time" starts in a couple months.
And hence the disagreements between the two Joes, I think. JMS wanted a fairly clear cut explanation to explain everything (including Harry being alive, no organic webshooters etc.) And Joe Q just urged him to explain it away (or blame it on) as "Magic". I think JoeQ has a point - it's almost too much to explain *exactly* - just blame it all on Mephisto's ability to make stuff happen. Which probably is the reason why JMS was upset - since it seems he went to a lot of trouble to actually define each one of the differences. (But if he did, I still don't see how he could have completed the story in 4 issues).
JoeQ is full of shit. No matter how he chooses to creatively interpret things, Peter made a deal with Mephisto. Any other justification of events is just bibble-babble double-talk retcon BS.
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^Yeah, it's a retcon, but it's a retcon I don't mind. The "deal with the Devil" thing is widely hated, and if even the person who conceived it is walking it back now, then I'd say that's giving the audience what it wants. So what is there to be upset about? It means we never have to worry about Satanic contracts in Spidey's life again, and there's no way that's a bad thing.
Yet Mephisto is going to be appearing in 648 or thereabouts before Big Time beings ...hijinks and pissed off fans are gonna be afoot!!
So I read the comic but I'm confused. It's like the act of making the deal with the devil created a new continuity where the deal with the devil never happened. But in "New Ways to Die" Peter references being aware of the deal when Norman crashes his pad with the Thunderbolts. He thinks oh god does he remember, no he doesn't the deal is still in place. Also, I thought the point of the deal was to torment Peter, and if he has no knowledge of making the deal, how it is torment?
It's like The Prestige Schrodinger's Box. Is this Peter the man in the box or the prestige?
EDIT: I looked up the comic. Here's the internal dialogue Peter says: "Ah, right. He doesn't remember anymore. He has NO idea I'm Spidey. Nobody does. Everything WE did is still up and running. I'm safe."
So I guess that's ambiguous enough that he could be talking about Dr Strange and not the devil...
It's like The Prestige Schrodinger's Box. Is this Peter the man in the box or the prestige?
EDIT: I looked up the comic. Here's the internal dialogue Peter says: "Ah, right. He doesn't remember anymore. He has NO idea I'm Spidey. Nobody does. Everything WE did is still up and running. I'm safe."
So I guess that's ambiguous enough that he could be talking about Dr Strange and not the devil...
^ Yeah that's basically kind of what happened. The entire thing is silly and confusing not clever like Joe Q would like to think.
This.
JoeQ is a tool. Someone Donald Trump his ass.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
The deal still happened, despite the temporal meddling. And making it all PETER'S doing is just another shot at the character.
Joe had to backpedal on the Deal with the Devil because it truly WAS hated in the way he delusionally
thought that the Spider Marriage was hated.
So not only did he make a bad original call, but he's too chicken-sh*t to stand by it and retcons his own retcon when the heat gets too bad.
Unless of course it turns out the rumors talked about earlier are true and Disney DID intervene...one can't have characters owned by the House of Mouse making "deals with the devil" after all...think of the kiddies!
