Amen! (No pun intended.)
Spider-Man: One More Day, One Moment in Time and Joe Q
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Amen! (No pun intended.)
^ I might be wrong but the devil was probably JMS' idea. The point was that TPTB (JoeQ - but I think there were several other Spidey writers who had similarly opined to JoeQ or at least gave tacit agreement to JoeQ's idea of an unmarried fancy-free Spider-man) wanted to *magically* undo the marriage without affecting any of the past stories too much and wanted to have Harry alive and also organic webshooters written out. And *I* think it was JMS idea to make it a deal with the Devil (or Mephisto in case the Devil is different).
I personally don't have as much of a problem with Peter making the deal. He's still very much a child-man (and that is reinforced by his "quippy" nature) who is *driven* by the responsibility he feels from Uncle Ben's death to act to save people in an almost relentless and compulsive manner. Sure he's sacrificing his own personal happiness (he isn't thinking about the child-to-be somewhat typically) but that wasn't ever the question for him. Personal discomfort/hardship will never stop him from trying to act "responsibly" at any point. It's the MJ side of the equation and JMS had MJ be the person who makes the decision.
So, hypothetically speaking for the people who really oppose the deal with the devil, let me propose a thought experiment - let's say that Peter goes to Doctor Strange to save Aunt May and the Doc says he can't save May *now* - *however*, he offers that he could let Spidey revisit some key points in the past but there is no known *mutable* items - just that some items may be able to change how things turn out (limited to Spidey and a few close-to-Spidey folks - so that 616 isn't affected as a whole) but the point remains that it's a one-time deal since they both wouldn't remember doing the deal and that it probably will not be possible to undo it. So - Spidey is sent careening off to different key points in his past - lots of drama as Spidey tries to save Uncle Ben but can't and tries to save Gwen and can't and so on.. until the marriage and while he doesn't want to change the marriage, he inadvertently sets things in motion that actually are mutable. And then when Spidey "wakes up" from the magic-thingummy, we the readers find that his marriage is undone. But Doc Strange doesn't know and Spidey doesn't know and MJ doesn't know. Would you have liked this story better than the deal-with-Mephisto story?
I personally don't have as much of a problem with Peter making the deal. He's still very much a child-man (and that is reinforced by his "quippy" nature) who is *driven* by the responsibility he feels from Uncle Ben's death to act to save people in an almost relentless and compulsive manner. Sure he's sacrificing his own personal happiness (he isn't thinking about the child-to-be somewhat typically) but that wasn't ever the question for him. Personal discomfort/hardship will never stop him from trying to act "responsibly" at any point. It's the MJ side of the equation and JMS had MJ be the person who makes the decision.
So, hypothetically speaking for the people who really oppose the deal with the devil, let me propose a thought experiment - let's say that Peter goes to Doctor Strange to save Aunt May and the Doc says he can't save May *now* - *however*, he offers that he could let Spidey revisit some key points in the past but there is no known *mutable* items - just that some items may be able to change how things turn out (limited to Spidey and a few close-to-Spidey folks - so that 616 isn't affected as a whole) but the point remains that it's a one-time deal since they both wouldn't remember doing the deal and that it probably will not be possible to undo it. So - Spidey is sent careening off to different key points in his past - lots of drama as Spidey tries to save Uncle Ben but can't and tries to save Gwen and can't and so on.. until the marriage and while he doesn't want to change the marriage, he inadvertently sets things in motion that actually are mutable. And then when Spidey "wakes up" from the magic-thingummy, we the readers find that his marriage is undone. But Doc Strange doesn't know and Spidey doesn't know and MJ doesn't know. Would you have liked this story better than the deal-with-Mephisto story?
I think you are right and that it was Joe Q who didn't like the idea of a divorced Spider-Man.
'Quippy' as Spider-man yes. Off hand I'm having trouble thinking of any child-man 'quips' that Peter gives. As Peter Parker his portrayal is/was very adult. He only showed off the inner insecurities and 'quips' as Spider-man. As if the character were someone he became in addition to the suit. I'm sure Peter at some time has perhaps acted 'quippy' but those times are few and far between.
'Quippy' Spider-man and Mature Peter are as different as the the voice Bruce Wayne uses vs the voice Batman uses.
See - I don't quite see it like that. Batman vs Bruce Wayne is a huge thing (with lots of who's the real person and so on). I personally never thought of any dichotomy between Peter Parker and Spider-man. Peter can be a little more dorky and geeky to allay any 'he's spider-man' suspicions but I don't think of him as having two separate personas like the Batman, Bruce Wayne thing is - and there have also been plenty of stories where one of the persona (Batman or Bruce) bleeds into the other too much - like a recent story where Alfred is complaining that he's talking in The-Batman-Voice even in the Bruce persona (The 'Batman & Son' TPB, I think) and so on. That almost never happens with Spider-Man except for the angsty "Spider-man no more" or "my life as Peter or Spider-man sucks" moaning/groaning.
There are tons of quips that *Peter* does - with MJ, Aunt May, the work stuff (wherever he might be working - whether it's with the Avengers or The DB or somewhere else). Peter is Mr. Keep-it-Light-Hearted and so in an even more brazen way is Spider-man.
Anyway - a preview of the first Big Time story is on CBR. And Wolverine knows that Spidey is Peter and gets admonished by Captain America (Bucky I think) not to give his Parker-identity away.
What in the world makes Marvel do this
- if they were going to make such a big deal about nobody knows who he is (except for MJ), why are they already getting it revealed to the MU hero community. Wolverine is on more teams than anybody else. And Cap America gets around too... I sure hope that they don't reveal it too much.Also - when did that happen? The identity revealing bit?
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Peter revealed his identity to the New Avengers during the Dark Reign storyline shortly after Osborn revealed his new Avengers and also to the Fantastic Four during Brand New Day. His New Avengers teammates essentially forced Peter to remove his mask much like Johnny Storm did. That is why Cap admonishes Logan for keeping a lid on the secret.
I'm looking forward to "The Big Time" it looks like a lot of fun and Ramos' art has improved since his last stint on Spider-Man a few years ago, I couldn't stand his run last time. I wonder who Peter's new girlfriend is? I'm hoping for Norah Winters, I enjoy her banter with Peter, they seem like they would make for a good couple. It also was implied in the dialogue-less preview art released back at comic con that Peter will continue his shagging of Black Cat.
I'm looking forward to "The Big Time" it looks like a lot of fun and Ramos' art has improved since his last stint on Spider-Man a few years ago, I couldn't stand his run last time. I wonder who Peter's new girlfriend is? I'm hoping for Norah Winters, I enjoy her banter with Peter, they seem like they would make for a good couple. It also was implied in the dialogue-less preview art released back at comic con that Peter will continue his shagging of Black Cat.
Thanks.
I *remember* reading BND (all 3 tpb) and didn't they handle the "reveal" to the FF differently? In the sense, that first Torch is all freaked out but in the end they still don't know that he's Peter Parker. i.e. they have seen his face but don't know who he is.
Man - My memory is becoming a sieve. Am I confusing this with the Ultimate storyline?
Yeah...it was during a mission into the Negative Zone and they see a statue of Peter with his mask off and Torch freaks out.
So... years later I finally read "One More Day". It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. They specifically say in the story that Peter is NOT selling his soul it's about his suffering, but then they say that he won't remember being married, but then they say some small part of him will remember and be screaming in agony...
So when Peter references to Osborn forgetting his ID... I guess that's a reference to OMIT where Strange/Tony do the mind wipe thing and not the devil deal. He's not supposed to remember the devil deal now.
So when Peter references to Osborn forgetting his ID... I guess that's a reference to OMIT where Strange/Tony do the mind wipe thing and not the devil deal. He's not supposed to remember the devil deal now.
Again...no Peter just thinks that his identity has been altered but has no idea that his and MJ's marriage has been wiped by Mephisto. In fact I'm not sure if he even knows if Mephisto is responsible for making the deal in the first place. OMIT of course also revealed that MJ was the one who made the deal because she knew that Peter would never go through with something like that. One More Day wasn't a brutal story...I have just never liked the concept or the reasoning behind it.
Wait, so MJ, the female, is the one who makes a deal with the devil because Peter, the male, would ofcourse never ever do it?
That just sounds wrong on so many levels and is even worse then having Peter make the deal.
Is Joe Q stuck in the 50's?
Yes a lot of fans aren't pleased with the way Joe Q has chosen to depict MJ in OMIT and I can't say as I blame them.
It's bad enough that Gwen was turned into a weak female giving out pity sex to Harry.
Now, MJ is making the supposed deal with Mephisto? Marvel keeps raping their ASM history.
Now, MJ is making the supposed deal with Mephisto? Marvel keeps raping their ASM history.
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It's actually a nice biblical touch, I thought (tho' a bit sexist too - but then the original story has been criticized for being a little sexist too!). Only the wife can get the husband to do it.
And actually, I do find all this harping on the "deal with the devil" a little much. They sacrifice their own happiness and therefore the decision is a joint one with MJ playing a critical role - if she had said that 'she can't dream of living without Peter, and the old goat could die and be done with it - after all it would only be an actress or a clone or something in the long run', then Peter wouldn't have agreed to it. It's one thing for Peter to sacrifice his own happiness for his loved ones (I think he would have been willing to sacrifice himself, if it had been MJ that was shot and Peter and Aunt May had to decide) but he couldn't force MJ to do her own. So MJ kinda gets the veto vote.
It's not like they did it for untold wealth or just to negate the identity reveal or something.
Actually Gwen gave pitty sex to Norman not Harry.
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Ick, that's right. Now you've fully reminded me how much they trashed Gwen.
Ick, that's right. Now you've fully reminded me how much they trashed Gwen.
Yep. "Sins Past" should be eradicated. There was talk early on in the planning of Brand New Day of bringing Gwen back as well as Harry. Not sure how they would have explained that though.
Now that Barry and Hal are back Gwen along with Uncle Ben are two of the longest dead characters out there.
No doubt Marvel will find a way at some point to reverse that. Especially since Gwen is going to be such a big role in the new films. Gwen never made it her college years so its new ground for her in the movies.
No doubt Marvel will find a way at some point to reverse that. Especially since Gwen is going to be such a big role in the new films. Gwen never made it her college years so its new ground for her in the movies.
I'm really glad they are using Gwen in the movies over MJ. I always thought Rami should have used Gwen and have Norman toss her off the bridge, Peter fail to save her, then the fight with Norman on the rooftop at the end of the movie. The film would end with Gwen's funeral. The second film would feature MJ comforting Peter while going out with Harry and slowly falling in love with him. Anyways yeah Emma Stone will do a good job as Gwen.
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