I think the writers said Winona was off planet and was a Starfleet officer. Originally there was a character called Uncle Frank but he was dropped from the film probably to give Grunberg his obligatory cameo in a JJ Abrams production).
Where's Winona Kirk?
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She took after a great great great grand mother named Winona and was busted for shop-lifting and is currently doing time....
You know I thought the same thing after watching the end of the movie... for the 378th time on DVD. "Oh, that would have been nice if they had Jennifer Morrison standing there in uniform next to Admiral Pike in his wheelchair. And then they both share a look... and then... and then..
My god that's perfect! [to my non-existent assistant] Quick! get me JJ Abrams on phone! We need to get started on reshoots and then to the editing bay!!"
It doesn't really need it. It would have been nice though.
^Pike becomes Jim's stepfather?
I can see the spin-off TV series now: "Admiral Dad"
I can see the spin-off TV series now: "Admiral Dad"
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Anything's possible when Vic can be human...
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
Nobody from the mirror universe calls him Vic. Only People who know him as a hologram.
Soong made three androids that look like himself.
Zimmerman made the EMH look like himself.
Is it so hard to believe that Felix made Vic look like himself and that Felix's last name is Fontaine?
Soong made three androids that look like himself.
Zimmerman made the EMH look like himself.
Is it so hard to believe that Felix made Vic look like himself and that Felix's last name is Fontaine?
I think it's great that you'll invent little backstories to explain away that, yet reject any rationalizations made for anything in STXI.
It's the best case of double standards I've seen since I joined TBBS. Congratulations.
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
I can handle all sorts of rationalizations in XI. Some are easier, much easier than others.
Explain to me how Nero traveling back in time can result in the exact same Chekov being born four years earlier?
One more pass through rewrite would have taken care of about 90% of the things I didn't care for in XI.
It's more the quantity rather than the quality. Many small things.
Was it the worst of the Trek movies? No. Was it the best? No.
I rank it above TFF, NEM and in the same general area as GEN, another movies with too many little annoyances. It's like having a nice car where the seats squeak, the mirrors don't stay in place and the trim is loose. You don't want to junk the car but you wish that the fit and finish was a bit higher quality.
Explain to me how Nero traveling back in time can result in the exact same Chekov being born four years earlier?
One more pass through rewrite would have taken care of about 90% of the things I didn't care for in XI.
It's more the quantity rather than the quality. Many small things.
Was it the worst of the Trek movies? No. Was it the best? No.
I rank it above TFF, NEM and in the same general area as GEN, another movies with too many little annoyances. It's like having a nice car where the seats squeak, the mirrors don't stay in place and the trim is loose. You don't want to junk the car but you wish that the fit and finish was a bit higher quality.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
All sorts of rationalisations can be found for Chekov's earlier birth - and how those other people all ended up with the same names, same ranks, and same looks (from SpockPrime's perspective).
The point is that such trivial shit is not important (the general audience doesn't know Chekov's 'real' birthyear - and I'm sure quite a few fans don't either) to make it a good or a bad film.
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
Go ahead, name a way that the exact same person could be born four years earlier?
Same name and ranks? Look at Mirror, Mirror as an example and it can work. Does it make real world sense? Nope but it does in the context of the Trek universe.
Getting Chekov's birthdate wrong doesn't make it a good or a bad film. It makes it one where it was using something that had been established and ignoring it. Of the various crew members only Kirk & Chekov had their ages established. In TWOK Chekov was established as having been on the Enterprise during Space Seed. As we didn't know exactly when he joined the ship it's possible. I'd be interested to see how you would explain someone being years earlier could be explained.
Make Sulu younger than Uhura? Sure, go for it. Make Uhura younger, OK. We didn't know their ages. If you're going for an offshoot universe that is based on what;s existing then you should respect what's been established previously. (I'm not saying that the writers didn't respect Trek. It's obvious that they did try to match things u fairly well. Still, it was a simple error and easily corrected.)
Same name and ranks? Look at Mirror, Mirror as an example and it can work. Does it make real world sense? Nope but it does in the context of the Trek universe.
Getting Chekov's birthdate wrong doesn't make it a good or a bad film. It makes it one where it was using something that had been established and ignoring it. Of the various crew members only Kirk & Chekov had their ages established. In TWOK Chekov was established as having been on the Enterprise during Space Seed. As we didn't know exactly when he joined the ship it's possible. I'd be interested to see how you would explain someone being years earlier could be explained.
Make Sulu younger than Uhura? Sure, go for it. Make Uhura younger, OK. We didn't know their ages. If you're going for an offshoot universe that is based on what;s existing then you should respect what's been established previously. (I'm not saying that the writers didn't respect Trek. It's obvious that they did try to match things u fairly well. Still, it was a simple error and easily corrected.)
If anything, Chekov's age was a retcon. The writers wanted Chekov on the Enterprise, and they changed what they had to in order to make it work. If you need to excuse it somehow, say Chekov was bullshitting when he stated his age during TOS - he hardly said it under oath.
[Explain to me how Nero traveling back in time can result in the exact same Chekov being born four years earlier?]
TOS- Dad and Mom Chekov meet, fall in love. Due to educational/work/health situation, wait several years to have baby Pavel.
NU Trek- Dad and Mom Chekov meet, fall in love same as above. They dont have the same educational/work/health situation and dont wait. Or the birth control fails. Grand dad doesnt die so they have sex that night, etc. Sperm meets egg. Hello Pavel.
TOS- Dad and Mom Chekov meet, fall in love. Due to educational/work/health situation, wait several years to have baby Pavel.
NU Trek- Dad and Mom Chekov meet, fall in love same as above. They dont have the same educational/work/health situation and dont wait. Or the birth control fails. Grand dad doesnt die so they have sex that night, etc. Sperm meets egg. Hello Pavel.
Huh? Checkoff is diffrent age in Startrek 09? Noh wayyy! This movie sucks now!!!1!
(What are little girls made of)
Robo-Kirk: "George Samuel Kirk, your brother. Only you call him Johnny."
Someone once observed that any time the crew of the Enterprise was introduced to someone who was "renowned throughout the galaxy" for their brilliance or humanitarian work or outstanding service record they'd have been well advised to phaser them immediately.
Dude. You just killed Zephram Cochrane.
But why is that a problem?
My aunt needed her birth certificate to apply for a driving permit. When she arrived at the counter, she realised her birthday was incorrect, by about 18 months. She went home, puzzled, and the family realised the certificate was for a previous child, who'd died at just a few days old, and they'd used the same name for the next baby.
I also think the altered Chekov is a reminder of the original timeline Pavel's hallucinatory memory of Piotr in "Day of the Dove".
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