Done with Star Trek?

[BillJ]

Star Trek had already ceased production in the 70's.

What about reruns? That's where TOS really found its audience. Plus, there's TAS to consider. So, my point has been made. TOS was never meant to be a fringe thing and to say other wise is just a way for some people to feel super special awesome because they alone, "get," Star Trek.

If you read "Inside Star Trek" you'll find that the only one originally interested in buying the show in syndication was a guy who owned ten low-power UHF stations. Let's also remember that NBC buried it on it's Friday night schedule for the third season. So it definitely came close to falling off the radar numerous times. I also recall that Paramount at one point wanted to sell the show in the 70's to Roddenberry (who didn't have the money).

Doesn't sound like a property anyone thought had long-term viability.

Point being, there were alot of fans who kept the flame lit until the show caught fire. Some of those fans, like Warped9, felt betrayed at the direction the studio eventually took with the property. Whether it's right or wrong is up for debate. YMMV.

 

[Greg Cox]

Star Trek had already ceased production in the 70's.

What about reruns? That's where TOS really found its audience. QUOTE]


Exactly. When I was growing up, STAR TREK was constantly running alongside reruns of WILD, WILD WEST and GILLIGAN'S ISLAND. It wasn't some obscure, cult thing designed to appeal only to the chosen few . . . .

 

[doubleohfive]

I've somewhat grudgingly accepted that turkey bacon is not going to go away.

What really leaves a bad taste in my mouth is brussels sprouts. I suppose I belong to an older generation, with different values - we weren't raised with this politically correct nonsense about "childhood nutrition" and liberal nattering about an alleged "obesity epidemic." When our moms told us to "eat our vegetables" we shoved them around on our plates defiantly and filled up on white bread and gravy.

As long as we're willing to accept green shit that grows in dirt on our plates, that's what the farms will keep churning out. I hold uncritical consumers of salad responsible for the sad, low caloric state of American cuisine, because they're literally eating it up.

But what the hell, "veggies" (hate that word!) in general are aimed at a bunch of kids who know nothing about Gunther beer or unfiltered Lucky Strikes and go whining to the doctor for pills at the first hint of stomach distress. The lot of 'em couldn't deal with constipation if their lives depended on it. They're welcome to their "brussel sprouts," but it leaves me sad that future generations of kids will never experience the mature appreciation of bubble gum cigars and candy cigarettes.

THIS POST WINS THE THREAD.

 

[Char Aznable]

If you read "Inside Star Trek" you'll find that the only one originally interested in buying the show in syndication was a guy who owned ten low-power UHF stations. Let's also remember that NBC buried it on it's Friday night schedule for the thrid season. So it definitely came close to falling off the radar numerous times. I also recall that Paramount at one point wanted to sell the show in the 70's to Roddenberry (who didn't have the money).

Doesn't sound like a property anyone thought had long-term viability.

TV in general wasn't something anyone thought of in terms of long term back then. It was a disposable product that, if money wasn't being made right away, would be shoved aside to make way for something they thought would. Still, it was always made to before the MASSES.

Point being, there were alot of fans who kept the flame lit until the show caught fire. Some of those fans, like Warped9, felt betrayed at the direction the studio eventually took with the property. Whether it's right or wrong is up for debate. YMMV.

That's fine, but those fans simply don't make enough for the networks/studios. New fans were needed to keep the love of Trek alive. Honestly, XI felt more like TOS than any Trek product I've seen in YEARS.

 

[BillJ]

That's fine, but those fans simply don't make enough for the networks/studios.

That's fine. What bothers me is how dismissive fans of the new movie are towards those who have issues with it.

 

[number6]

There's plenty of that from both sides.

 

[Char Aznable]

That's fine. What bothers me is how dismissive fans of the new movie are towards those who have issues with it.

Its really no worse that those who dismiss the new movie as being, "for the unwashed masses," as if TOS and it's films for for elite, tea sipping intellectuals who wear monacles at all times.

 

[BillJ]

That's fine. What bothers me is how dismissive fans of the new movie are towards those who have issues with it.

Its really no worse that those who dismiss the new movie as being, "for the unwashed masses," as if TOS and it's films for for elite, tea sipping intellectuals who wear monacles at all times.

No monocles here! Just a 40 inch HDTV, a blu-ray player and a beat up old couch.

 

[BillJ]

Hey, even the folks who virulently disliked it saw it - although a lot of them volunteer very careful stories about how they managed to do this without paying for a ticket (if you believe that, I'll sell you crystals that can power an FTL engine).

I disliked it and I paid to see it multiple times. Not going to lie. Even own the Blu-ray.

At least you're honest about it. I respect that.

Thing is... I wanted to like it. I really did. Went opening night to the 7:30pm IMAX show then went back the next day with my son.

It just didn't click for me.

 

[number6]

I saw it several times, including IMAX. I haven't been as excited about a ST film since TMP and TWOK.

 

[Greg Cox]

That's fine, but those fans simply don't make enough for the networks/studios.

That's fine. What bothers me is how dismissive fans of the new movie are towards those who have issues with it.

It works both ways. I keep vowing not to get sucked into the debate again, but then I see another post insisting that only shallow youngsters and the ignorant masses can possibly like the new movie--and that the "real" fans, the ones who truly understand what TREK is all about, aren't fooled by the hype.

Plus, there are a few diehards out there who seem compelled to constantly make gratuitous swipes at the movie and its fans--no matter what is being discussed.

"Well, AVATAR sucked--but not as badly as JJ Trek!"

 

[number6]

I will continue to eat bacon, but not bacon bits.

 

[BillJ]

Guess I should re-evaluate Star Trek XI, while I hated the movie I've gotten a ton of entertainment value out of it on this board. I have to go see Star Trek XII so I can come in here and bitch. It's a vicious cycle.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't cook and prepare meat or eat it when I'm at home. If I'm going to a restaurant with anyone, I'll order meat occasionally because I miss the food and can put out of my head what it is I'm actually eating for juuust long enough. I've been a 95%-of-the-time vegetarian since 2003.

Before that, I used to like bacon but not bacon bits.

 

[number6]

Bacon Bits are usually made out of Soy.

 

[doubleohfive]

There's a vegan place in Pasadena. I had dinner there a few weeks ago, and I'll be damned if the soy protein in the dish I had didn't taste exactly like beef. Tasty and satisfying.

 

[Lord Garth]

I can't do vegan. Giving up mozzarella sticks and going out for pizza is where I draw the line. Cow's utters be damned. But somehow, I only have soy milk with cereal. My mind is confused.

But I remember a great Chinese vegan restaurant I went to in Boston, New Year's Eve 2004. You'd almost think the "meat" they had was the real thing but it was all tofu. I was impressed. Except I can't remember the name of where it was I went.

 

[Warped9]

The kind of Star Trek I miss.

YouTube - Risk is our Business

 

[doubleohfive]

The kind of Star Trek I miss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOVXETkSmcQ

 

[Char Aznable]

God damn, Kei$ha sucks . . . no matter what timeline her songs play in . . .