Done with Star Trek?

[Admiral Buzzkill]

couldn't get into DS9 (my username notwithstanding)

So why did you pick that name?

Because I worked as a game designer of the DS9 videogame for the Sega Genesis.

You know, even though I knew where your username came from I never realized that you weren't into DS9.

No wonder we get along.

 

[JarodRussell]

I'm done with current Trek since Enterprise, so...

 

[AMQ]

Have you ever looked up some of the things Coto was working out for S5? To quote Kor: "It would have been GLORIOUS..."

I did. I really liked most of them and could really see them happen. oh

 

[Noname Given]

It's like, by the time people began to realize that the show was becoming very promising, the plug was already being pulled. Real bummer.

Well, really there's no evidence to be found in the numbers that people ever began to realize that - other than the folks who were still keeping track of the show and had been all along. Some fans liked it better in the last year or so than they had before, but that doesn't mean that the larger audience that had deserted it ever showed an interest in resampling it or could have been persuaded to.

Actually, the number are whats up for debate as:

1) Only the first Primetime airing was counted.

2) While DVR numbers were starting to be tracked, they weren't figured in the same way they are today.

3) Sorry, one head guy can say 'cancelled' (ie Les Moonvies) and a show will go away UNLESS it's such an absolutely raging success that a paranet company intervenes. But generally, becase of the reorganization of paramount that was going on at the time; a lot of 'Trek' supporters in the corporate structure had moved on. nd hell we all know how well the 'rebranding effort turned out - they merged with the CW.

It's just a fact that post TNG - no Star Trek series had a lot of 'staying power' as they all started good (numbers wise) and bled viewers from the starting point on (yes, even DS9). TNG was the only Trek series to see a rise in viewership (over it's first season numbers) during its run.

And the funny thing is: I still think TNG had the WORST first and second season of any 'modern' Star Trek series - and hell ENT seasons 1 and 2 were better than TNG season 1 and 2; and ENT seasons 3 and 4 were BETTER than TNG seasons 3 and 4 from both a writing and production standpoint - yet TNG got 7 seasons and ENT 4.

For me, TOS is still #1; but I do have to say that overall, ENT was the one post 1987 Trek series that overall did the best at recapruring a lot of the feel that TOS had (imo). That may not have resonated with audiences the way it once had, but I will say overall that the writing on ENT (and especially in the later seasons) was not substantially better or worse than what had come before in the 35 years before ENT hit the airwaves.

FYI - I'm one of those 'older fans' (watching first run since 1969); and I have to say, that while I do love TOS, I also loved ST'09 (aka Abrams film); and thought it did do a good job at re-imagining Star Trek - and made a Star Trek film that was enjoyable and entertaing (and that's something I wasn't able to say about 3 out of 4 of the TNG era films; or STV:TFF; and a good portion of STVI:TUC in all honesty.)

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

1) Only the first Primetime airing was counted.

2) While DVR numbers were starting to be tracked, they weren't figured in the same way they are today.

Same as every other series on the air at the time. That's what mattered, and matters.

3) Sorry, one head guy can say 'cancelled' (ie Les Moonvies) and a show will go away UNLESS it's such an absolutely raging success that a paranet company intervenes.

"Can" and "did" are not the same. Moonves didn't cancel the show.

Not enough people - and far from enough of the right people - watched Enterprise for UPN to want to continue with it. They considered at the time that they had other, better programming options. There's no evidence whatever that the show's numbers improved significantly if at all in the fourth year.

 

[BillJ]

Too bad people like Brandon Tartikoff are no longer around.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

1) Only the first Primetime airing was counted.

2) While DVR numbers were starting to be tracked, they weren't figured in the same way they are today.

Same as every other series on the air at the time. That's what mattered, and matters.

3) Sorry, one head guy can say 'cancelled' (ie Les Moonvies) and a show will go away UNLESS it's such an absolutely raging success that a paranet company intervenes.

"Can" and "did" are not the same. Moonves didn't cancel the show.

Not enough people - and far from enough of the right people - watched Enterprise for UPN to want to continue with it. They considered at the time that they had other, better programming options. There's no evidence whatever that the show's numbers improved significantly if at all in the fourth year.

You can't expect a franchise/show to recover overnight from the kind of damage that was inflicted by Berman and Braga.

The "buzz" was greatly positive, and increasing with each ep (after the opening, which they had to do to finish off the TCW story arc).

 

[Joker]

Other shows were doing as well and better without the level of special attention and life support that Enterprise needed.

 

[Destructor]

Enterprise sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

 

[Captain Robert April]

DS9 had the problem of a much more crowded playing field (Hercules, Xena, Babylon 5, Highlander, etc.) than TNG, which had the first run syndicated action/adventure category all to itself.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Enterprise sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

So you say. I liked it quite a bit - a good deal better than most 24th century "modern" Trek, that's for sure.

 

[number6]

Enterprise sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

So you say. I liked it quite a bit - a good deal better than most 24th century "modern" Trek, that's for sure.

Pretty much. ENT was pretty good overall.

 

[Captain Robert April]

In retrospect, ENT wasn't that bad, particularly the last two seasons.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Enterprise sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

Star Trek XI sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[Warped9]

Enterprise sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

Star Trek XI sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

Both true.

 

[number6]

I thought you were done.

 

[Warped9]

I thought you were done.

I couldn't resist...particularly knowing you don't like it when someone expresses not liking something you favour.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Enterprise sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

In your opinion. It started out with a respectable audience, but B&B frittered it away and the studio wouldn't let Manny have the rebuilding time he needed.

Increasing positive buzz is not generated by shows that "suck". At it's WORST I'd watch any ep of Enterprise before an ep of Voyager and half of TNG.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I thought you were done.

Enterprise sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

Star Trek XI sucked. That's the bottom line, friends.

Fixed that for ya.

Doesn't the BBS discourage postings that say nothing other than "such-and-such show sucks?"

 

[MANT!]

Enterprise's last season was when the show found it's voice (if not it's audience) and
the writing improved to a point where the series was watchable for me..

Hence I'm a proud owner of Enterprise Season 4

BUT B + B
kicked out that turd-burger "These are the Voyages" as a gift to the fans..showing just how creatively bankrupt they had become..and eliminating any chance to close out Enterprise on a high note by adding one more TNG episode to the list..