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Am I Not A Star Wars Completist Without The Clone Wars?

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My question is how optional is the 2008 SW: Clone Wars animated film and subsequent animated Clone Wars TV series in terms of "completism" within one whole series? (For example, you could have all three Peter Jackson LOTR movies and not need the 1970s animated film to be "completist.")

I consider only the two trilogies to be really part of the "visual saga." The 2008 Clone Wars film was animated where the two trilogies are live action films, and is NOT part of either the OT or PT. This leads me to lump it with the 1980s Ewok movies as just "other material" from the SW universe and not part of the one coherent saga.

I like both SW and ST, but I think the whole "Clone Wars project" after 2005's ROTS just made the SW saga more like Star Trek, whereas without these additions, it's a simpler and more unified six-film saga.
 
I actually think the Clone Wars 'toons are worthwhile, fairly well-made shows. In fact, the more I see of this series, the more I think it's what the PT should have been -- fun, exciting, at times thoughtful, and with enough characterization to deepen our understanding and appreciation of the characters we already know and love.

But are they absolutely essential? No, not really.
 
My question is how optional is the 2008 SW: Clone Wars animated film and subsequent animated Clone Wars TV series in terms of "completism" within one whole series? (For example, you could have all three Peter Jackson LOTR movies and not need the 1970s animated film to be "completist.")

I consider only the two trilogies to be really part of the "visual saga." The 2008 Clone Wars film was animated where the two trilogies are live action films, and is NOT part of either the OT or PT. This leads me to lump it with the 1980s Ewok movies as just "other material" from the SW universe and not part of the one coherent saga.

I like both SW and ST, but I think the whole "Clone Wars project" after 2005's ROTS just made the SW saga more like Star Trek, whereas without these additions, it's a simpler and more unified six-film saga.

I think you've answered your own question. By definition nothing is optional when it comes to "completism." Something is either complete, or it's not. There really isn't a middle ground in those terms.
 
Clone Wars is what the movies should have been

Bullseye.

It really feels like the PT was just made to create a baseline for other projects to grow from.

I also highly recommend the original animated Clone Wars from a few years back (directed by Genndy Tartovsky of all people), and the new series.
 
While you don't really need the show to understand anything else, it's easily the best thing to hit the Star Wars universe in a long time. So if you haven't seen it you really should.
As for it being animated that really shouldn't matter at all, a good show is a good show no matter what it looks like.
 
Clone Wars is what the movies should have been

Bullseye.

It really feels like the PT was just made to create a baseline for other projects to grow from.

I also highly recommend the original animated Clone Wars from a few years back (directed by Genndy Tartovsky of all people), and the new series.

I have a question about that...I see on Netflix, there's a Clone Wars Vol 1 and 2, and a Clone Wars Season 1 and 2. I thought they were the same but the "volumes" are a collection of animated shorts. Do they meld together into a coherent storyline? Which do I watch first? Why is this so confusing! :rommie: Only Clone Wars Season 1 is out - is that chronologically the first part of the story?

As for it being animated that really shouldn't matter at all, a good show is a good show no matter what it looks like.

I don't care for that style of animation but if the writing and voice acting is up to snuff, I'll overlook it.
 
The first Clone Wars was a micro-series of 3 minute 2D hand drawn animated episodes (Volume 1 and 2) made from the guy who made Samurai Jack. They don't really have character or story they're basically little action vignettes with very little dialogue. They're also damn cool! And the second volume is actually one story/movie that takes place immediately before ROTS so it has a little more of a story to it.

The Clone Wars micro-series is also notable for featuring Grievous' first appearance prior to the movie. In this original version he's an unstoppable bad ass, which is why we were all very confused when he became a craven coward in the movie! :lol:
 
The issue of being a "completist" in the terms you've defined is still difficult to answer, I think. Lucasfilm doesn't consider the Ewok films you mentioned (nor the Droids cartoons or The Holiday Special, for that matter) to be canon, but Star Wars: The Clone Wars (CGI movie) and Star Wars: The Clone Wars (CGI series) are considered canon. So, are you concerned about "completion" in that sense - i.e., the official categorization of what is and is not canon? If you are, then, yes, both are required in order to meet your goal of completion.

If, however, you're simply interested in completing your collection and viewing experiences in terms of what's good and therefore worth your time and money, then my opinion is thus: Skip the movie, because it's crap. Watch the series, because it's pretty darn good.

I have a question about that...I see on Netflix, there's a Clone Wars Vol 1 and 2, and a Clone Wars Season 1 and 2. I thought they were the same but the "volumes" are a collection of animated shorts. Do they meld together into a coherent storyline? Which do I watch first? Why is this so confusing! :rommie: Only Clone Wars Season 1 is out - is that chronologically the first part of the story?
Here's the thing, Temis. There have been two separate series based on the Clone Wars. The first (Star Wars: Clone Wars) ran from 2003-2005, was under the direction of Genndy Tartakovsky (responsible for Dexter's Laboratory & Samurai Jack), and was referred to as a "micro-series." It was initially a series of 3-minute shorts (season 3 changed to 12-15 minutes) that aired in between normal-length episodes of other series on Cartoon Network. That series would be the Volume 1 and 2 sets that you're seeing on Netflix, and I thought they were damn good.

The second series (Star Wars: The Clone Wars) kicked off in 2008, with the theatrical release of the same-titled movie. When this series was first getting off the ground, Lucas referred to the Tartakovsky series as "the pilot series" - it basically tested the waters, although the two series have drastically different art styles. This series is under the direction of Dave Filoni (previously worked on Avatar: The Last Airbender). You've seen some of my thoughts on this series in another thread already, so I won't repeat myself here.

I don't believe that Clone Wars is available through new retail releases any longer. When I wanted to purchase the two volumes a few months back, I had to buy them used but it was so worth it to track down. As far as melding into an overarching storyline goes, Clone Wars does chronologically take place prior to The Clone Wars, though TCW doesn't always move forward chronologically even within its own series. For example, there's an episode in season 1 ("The Hidden Enemy") that is actually a prequel to the movie. I do not believe, however, that there are any contradictions between the two. I have watched CW then watched some TCW episodes directly following, and it does feel like a progression for the characters. Anakin becomes a Knight, for example, in CW and takes a Padawn in TCW.

Looking back over this after typing it, I'm not entirely sure how clear I'll be to someone who doesn't have access to my mind to know what I was thinking as I typed :p but I hope it's helpful.
 
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If you do do just one, I'd say go with the CGI series. Despite what alot of people might expect from an animated Star Wars series, it's actually had alot of really good, deep, and surprisingly dark stories. Like I said in my other post, if you like the Star Wars universe at all you really need to watch the show.

Here are a couple videos that give you a good idea of what the show is like.
Season 3 trailer
Truly Cinematic BTS Season 3 trailer
 
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The tradition animation micro series is a completely seperate entity (well as seperate as anything in the SWU is) from the CGI.
Oops. Yes, traditional animation. I can't believe I missed that I referred to both as CGI, even after re-reading my post before submitting.
 
Well, I hadn't realized that the Clone Wars TV series was that good. Nor did I realize that it and the 2008 movie were canon. There goes my efforts at completism then, thanks.

I just can't get into Clone Wars stories because there's no real point to the Clone Wars-they were a sham orchestrated by Palpatine to gain power, so they didn't really matter.
 
The tradition animation micro series is a completely seperate entity (well as seperate as anything in the SWU is) from the CGI.
Oops. Yes, traditional animation. I can't believe I missed that I referred to both as CGI, even after re-reading my post before submitting.

The micro-series are traditional animation, right? I might check both out eventually when they're released but for now, I'll stick with Season 1 of the CGI series since that's all that's available. I hope they kick S2 out there soon because S3 is starting and I don't wanna fill up my whole DVR before I catch up!
 
October 3 is the release date for the second season of the CGI series. As for the micro-series, which looked like this, it originally aired between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, so it's actually been out for a while, it's just hard to find.
 
I don't think you need "The Clone Wars" to be a completist...one could ask the same question about the novels. I enjoy the series as I did the animated micro series before it and consider it apart of my personal canon.

The micro series is also where Anakin gets his scar in his first lightsaber encounter with Ventress and yeah Grevious appears for the first time and the second season finale led right into "Revenge of the Sith" which I've been curious if the CGI "Clone Wars" will do the same.
 
Like some of the other posters said, I also agree that you don't need to watch either of the Clone War animated series to be a completist. However, I think both add tremendously to the PT. For me, they've helped explain things like the shift in Obi and Anakin's relationship from AOTC to ROTS for example that have actually made ROTS a better film when I watch it again (I liked it already, but the cartoons take care of a lot of things that couldn't be fit into an already stuffed film). Plus, the cartoons (not to mention the comics and novels) really give us the Anakin as the warrior, as a great pilot, etc., as the friend that Obi Wan wistfully described in ANH.

And the cartoons allow the other Jedi to shine, in addition to Dooku. I thought all those characters got short shrift in the movies.

So, for the most part I think there has been little downside to Clone Wars. I haven't watched every episode, but I've enjoyed most of the ones I've seen. I think the creators have a great love of Star Wars and I like how they make use of the EU, which helps make all of SW, the movies, the cartoons, the comics, and novels, continue to feel like one big integrated universe.

I see it as Volume 1 of the 2-D series being the 'beginning', the 3-D series is the middle, and Volume 2 of the 2-D series as the closer, leading into ROTS.
 
Well, if you're a movie completist, just watch the movies. If you're a completist, watch everything. And whatever you are, watch what you enjoy. Why is that even a question?
 
I also agree that "The Clone Wars" is what the PT should have been like, in both pacing, acting, and tone, at least AOTC should have reflected what Filoni and his writers have brought to the series, just fantastic stuff and Anakin is actually likeable and heroic.
 
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