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Temporal Experiment #1

Trekker4747

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Back to the Future -

Shortly after 1:00 AM on October 25, 1985 Marty McFly arrives at the Twin Pines Mall outside Hill Valley, California to meet his friend Doctor Emmett Brown for a science experiment. The experiment turns out to be the world's first test of a time machine, built by Doc.

Doc demonstrates the time machine by placing his dog, Einstein, in the passenger compartment of it (a modified DMC-12, "Delorean") and operating the car by remote control. By Doc's own words by the time the car "hits 88 miles an hour we should see some serious shit." He procedes to -remotely- engage the car's parking brake and then accelerates it in place up to 50-some miles an hour, disengages the brake and the car then accelerates freely up till 88 miles an hour and travels through time. One minute into the future.

So, we run into a number of problems with this scene, later in the movie while Marty is trapped in 1955 he and the 1955 Doc work out a plan to get Marty back to 1985 and part of the plan involves Marty having to accelerate the car to 88 miles an hour before it reaches a cable strung across the street designed to harness a lightning bolt (supplying the time machine with the power it needs to travel through time.)

During Temporal Experiment #1 we learn a few things and we also get some questions. First, it seems, that the "88 miles an hour" thing isn't a requirment for time travel but, perhaps, just the time it takes for the car to pepare all of it's circuits for the temporal trip. How do we know this? Doc accelerates the car in place! Try this sometime, sit somewhere in a parking lot in your car, have the car in gear and rip-up on the parking brake as hard as you can, now press on the gas. The car will likely struggle but will still likely accelerate.

Now, this tells us something about what Doc's done to the Delorean, he's likely vastly increased the power of the parking brake or the brake switch on the remote also engaged the car's regular brakes. (Try this in your car, have the parking brake engaged, press down on the pedal-brake with your left foot now try and accelerate. The car likely won't go anywhere but will try to.) But it also tells us the the car doesn't actually need to be physically moving at 88 miles an hour! The wheels just have to be moving at that speed and even then that's not likely the wheels just have to of been spinning enough to reach a combined speed of 88 before and after the brake is engaged.

Why? Because what Doc is trying to do here is literally hit the ground running. The car "accelerates" while standing still. How can the car accelerate to 50-some miles an hour while standing perfectly still? The car's engine may moving at several thousand RPMs but it's moving at 0 miles an hour.

And even if at the speed Doc's got the wheels "would be" 50 miles an hour were it not for the brakes once he releases the brakes all of the energy used to get the wheels moving that fast will be spent moving the 1200 lb car forward. In the end? The car doesn't start moving at the 50-some miles Doc's speedometer on the remote says it starts moving at 0 miles an hour and then has to speed up to 88, so Doc's little stunt there was all for show.

But let's take the scene for what we're shown. That it's not about the "speed" but some other factor with the car, it's energy being expended and some factor with the time circuits. This means the car should be able to travel through time standing still. All Doc would have to do is stop the car, engage his crazy brakes, and "accelerate in place" until it gets to 88. Boom Boom Boom. Travel through time. This also means that Marty didn't need to accelerate towards the cable at the end; Doc could've just wired the car directly to the lightning rod and had Marty accelerate the car in place. No need to risk the entire thing on Marty's driving ability or 1955 Doc's understanding of the acceleration of a car that won't be built for almost 30 years.

This could also expalin how the car travels at the end of Part 2 while in the sky seemingly not moving much at all. The car's movement in the air was "somehow" 88 miles an hour even though the car wasn't really moving.

That, or I'm over thinking all of this.
 
I always thought that the DeLorean was HEAVILY modified for the purposes of hosting the Flux Capacitor and time circuits and wasn't just your run of the mill car with a time machine in it, further modifications to have it remote controlled. I'm also pretty sure that scene was meant as creative drama and didn't have any practical means to it. I have no problem with 88 miles an hour being the trigger to activate all of the circuits, we saw the Flux Capacitor "fluxing" as Marty puts it right before the car hits 88 on multiple occasions. In fact since watching Back to the Future as a kid I have always since gotten a kick out of seeing cars reach 88 miles an hour...or it's Canadian equivalent.

What's Temporal Experiment #2?
 
The other thing is when Doc drops marty off at his house near the end of the film to go into the future the car flashes and goes thru time much quicker then it would take if a real car had to build up to 88 miles an hour.
 
I always thought that the DeLorean was HEAVILY modified for the purposes of hosting the Flux Capacitor and time circuits and wasn't just your run of the mill car with a time machine in it, further modifications to have it remote controlled. I'm also pretty sure that scene was meant as creative drama and didn't have any practical means to it. I have no problem with 88 miles an hour being the trigger to activate all of the circuits, we saw the Flux Capacitor "fluxing" as Marty puts it right before the car hits 88 on multiple occasions. In fact since watching Back to the Future as a kid I have always since gotten a kick out of seeing cars reach 88 miles an hour...or it's Canadian equivalent.

What's Temporal Experiment #2?

We could probably say Temporal Experiment #2 was Marty's Trip to 1955, but was supposed to be Doc's trip to 2010.
 
That is true...he probably checked out 2015 due to Marty's comment to look him up, he also went further in time to find out how the incident with Griff ended up.
 
it's not the 88 MPH per se, but the rpm of the wheels probably hooked up to electric generators, would explain the sound effect added to the vehicle when in motion
 
it's not the 88 MPH per se, but the rpm of the wheels probably hooked up to electric generators, would explain the sound effect added to the vehicle when in motion

If it's RPMs the the car doesn't need to move at all or, hell, even be out of first gear.

That is true...he probably checked out 2015 due to Marty's comment to look him up, he also went further in time to find out how the incident with Griff ended up.

After Doc drops Marty off at home he changes his destination to 30 years, probably because that's how many years in the past Marty went.
 
Way overthinking it, the parking brake part of the scene was dumb. Otherwise, just leave it in neutral, and rev it to whatever you want, or as long as needed. They just wanted to show the car smoking the tires.

It really does seem to be about speed, otherwise they could have done something other than pushing the car with a train in the 3rd one. Doesn't appear to be the engine reving, because it wouldn't start in Part 3. If it was about spinning the wheels at a certain speed to generate electricity, they could have just made a couple of gears in Part 3 that would have been able to spin slower, but create 88 mph at the wheels. Also, wouldn't have had to drive to the clock tower in Part 1, could have just parked under the wire if electricity is all that was needed.

Appears to be strictly speed, and the parking brake (and remote showing 50 mph) was just stupid.
 
Keep in mind the 1955 doc did not now much about the car compared to 1985 Doc.
 
Way overthinking it, the parking brake part of the scene was dumb. Otherwise, just leave it in neutral, and rev it to whatever you want, or as long as needed. They just wanted to show the car smoking the tires.

+1

At the very most, you could at a stretch argue that Doc was laying down some rubber, so as to get better grip and acceleration for the standing start once he took the brake off. In some types of racing, this does make a difference to acceleration, but really, it's a major stretch to suggest it would make a difference to the DeLorean in BTTF in that parking lot.

The whole parking brake bit of the scene was just pretty-looking fluff.
 
Keep in mind the 1955 doc did not now much about the car compared to 1985 Doc.

Doesn't matter, really. He was using the lightning to replace the plutonium, not the 88 mph aspect. 1985 Doc had plutonium, so didn't need lightning, but still had to go 88...

Whole thing is a kinda dumb exercise, trying to nitpick one tiny, dumb scene, and throw out major plot aspects from later in the movie (and series) to try to justify a bit of bad writing or special effects...
 
Way overthinking it, the parking brake part of the scene was dumb. Otherwise, just leave it in neutral, and rev it to whatever you want, or as long as needed. They just wanted to show the car smoking the tires.

It really does seem to be about speed, otherwise they could have done something other than pushing the car with a train in the 3rd one. Doesn't appear to be the engine reving, because it wouldn't start in Part 3. If it was about spinning the wheels at a certain speed to generate electricity, they could have just made a couple of gears in Part 3 that would have been able to spin slower, but create 88 mph at the wheels. Also, wouldn't have had to drive to the clock tower in Part 1, could have just parked under the wire if electricity is all that was needed.

Appears to be strictly speed, and the parking brake (and remote showing 50 mph) was just stupid.

Exactly, good points about Part 3, it really is about speed.

I think that it was just for visual effect they did the wheel spinning thing.
 
You know what board this is, right?

Your version of the last 2 minutes of 60 minutes, where you rant on random topics like a 90 year old man? :p

Really don't get it. Seemed an easy answer, that the tire squealing scene is dumb, and was done to look 'kewl', no reason to try and toss out major plot lines from later in the series in order to justify a poorly thought out special effect. Especially if you don't have any particular theory that makes more sense that what was stated through both words and actions onscreen.

Might as well argue that the tire noise was a signal to wormhole aliens to open the time portal. Just as much evidence that THAT is the reasoning behind the scene...
 
And how did Einstein, who was one minute it the future, drive the car to 88 MPH in the future or activate to time circuits to send himself back? Maybe Doc programmed it to automatically go back after some time.
 
I guess I forgot that and assumed he sent him to the future and then back to their present time.
 
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