Why didn't Worf go off on Dukat after Jadzia's Murder?
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Maybe it's a simple answer after all--
Worf didn't have a CLUE where Dukat was!
If he did...maybe he'd be mulling over getting revenge.
However...Dukat was nowhere to be located.
Who knows? Maybe because of that, Worf just bottled it up inside him, without telling anyone, and it became the "Sto-Vo-Kor" thing....
Worf didn't have a CLUE where Dukat was!
If he did...maybe he'd be mulling over getting revenge.
However...Dukat was nowhere to be located.
Who knows? Maybe because of that, Worf just bottled it up inside him, without telling anyone, and it became the "Sto-Vo-Kor" thing....
Could be a good premise for a novel.
But he doesn't even mention Dukat, which would have been enough.
He was mad enough to smash things and snap at his own, but says nothing about wanting to get his hands on Dukat.
Just a wee little statement at least?
This is the same one who could only take so much of the Jem Hadar before starting a fight with them.
Told Picard if he were any other man I would 'kill you where you stand'.
Granted, he didn't know the exact location of Dukat, but knowing Worf, it never stopped him before..
He was mad enough to smash things and snap at his own, but says nothing about wanting to get his hands on Dukat.
Just a wee little statement at least?
This is the same one who could only take so much of the Jem Hadar before starting a fight with them.
Told Picard if he were any other man I would 'kill you where you stand'.
Granted, he didn't know the exact location of Dukat, but knowing Worf, it never stopped him before..
He went on that mission to get her into Sto Vo Kor (spelling?) and that seemed to pacify him quite a bit. Plus it was the middle of a war for the survival of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. His honor demanded he devote himself fully to winning the war. Revenge could come later.
Yeah, how shocking is the idea that the writers come up with stuff purely as a plot device... That never happens! Never!
I wouldn't have liked to see it occur, and it wouldn't have been cool. It had been done a lot better on TNG, it would have felt recycled, it wouldn't have been a good story from the dramatic point of view AT ALL, since Worf didn't even know Dukat and has no history with him, and most importantly, Dukat had a far bigger and more important role on the show than being Worf's nemesis - several of them, in fact: ex-Prefect of Bajor/head of Terok Nor, leader of Cardassia who allied it with the Dominion and started the war, head of DS9/Terok Nor during the Dominion occupation, not to mention his complicated long-standing dynamics with Kira and Sisko, and by that time he was also given the whole 'Pah-wraith anti-Emissary' role. How stupid would it have been to throw all that away for another recycled Klingon revenge plot that wouldn't even have had any dramatic impact?
But Dukat killed Jadzia for the sole reason because if was convenient, as Terry Farrell was leaving and they had to kill her off somehow, so, let's have the villain do it. Yes, I know, shocking to think that the writers will come up with random plots just because an actor is leaving.
From the in-universe point of view, it's clear why Worf couldn't find Dukat or go off looking for him, but it is that it's just weird that Worf never says something like, If only I could find that guy and have revenge on Jadzia. A casual line like that would have helped a lot.
I actually thought that it was good character development for Worf to be less concerned (for once) with his own precious honor, and more concerned with Jadzia.
Seeking revenge is ultimately a selfish gesture in many respects. In these circumstances especially, Worf hunting down Dukat would have been more about Worf feeling personally slighted and emasculated by his wife's murder than it would have been about his love for Jadzia.
What we have is better: it's not as if Worf has forgotten about his honor or his "Klingon heart," but he is obsessed with the fate of Jadzia's soul and longs to see her again in Klingon heaven (however it's spelled). This is stronger proof that he loved her than any revenge quest would have been. Dukat is essentially irrelevant to him, it's Jadzia that mattered, and that's as it should be.
Not that Worf wouldn't be interested in ending Dukat's life, but this goes without saying and is not really worth a story at this stage of the character's development. The situation with K'Eyhler was different for a variety of reasons: long-standing blood feud, peace time versus wartime, and of course Worf acted in the heat of the moment because Duras was right there. More importantly, though, this was an earlier period of the character's development in that he had yet to find his "Klingon heart," so breaking with Starfleet protocol to seek revenge was significant for him at that time. However, by the end of DS9, it no longer was.
Seeking revenge is ultimately a selfish gesture in many respects. In these circumstances especially, Worf hunting down Dukat would have been more about Worf feeling personally slighted and emasculated by his wife's murder than it would have been about his love for Jadzia.
What we have is better: it's not as if Worf has forgotten about his honor or his "Klingon heart," but he is obsessed with the fate of Jadzia's soul and longs to see her again in Klingon heaven (however it's spelled). This is stronger proof that he loved her than any revenge quest would have been. Dukat is essentially irrelevant to him, it's Jadzia that mattered, and that's as it should be.
Not that Worf wouldn't be interested in ending Dukat's life, but this goes without saying and is not really worth a story at this stage of the character's development. The situation with K'Eyhler was different for a variety of reasons: long-standing blood feud, peace time versus wartime, and of course Worf acted in the heat of the moment because Duras was right there. More importantly, though, this was an earlier period of the character's development in that he had yet to find his "Klingon heart," so breaking with Starfleet protocol to seek revenge was significant for him at that time. However, by the end of DS9, it no longer was.
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Most of what I understand from Worf's personality suggest he would think of Dukat and revenge.
Revenge for the death of a love seems like a strong theme in Klingon culture.
Earlier on in DS9 didn't Dax go off on a mission with 3 other Klingons to avenge the death of one the Klingon's sons?
It seems to me that Dax had already had an 'honorable' history, so the Sto Vo Kor thing seems confusing, like a plot rationalization.
They could had so many other ways for Dax to go out, but they used Dukat for that, yet barely mention his role in it afterwards.
Heck, Sisko had Dukat right where he wanted and could told Worf if the writers really wanted that.
Having both Worf and Sisko face Dukat would have at least added something extra to the ending.
Revenge for the death of a love seems like a strong theme in Klingon culture.
Earlier on in DS9 didn't Dax go off on a mission with 3 other Klingons to avenge the death of one the Klingon's sons?
It seems to me that Dax had already had an 'honorable' history, so the Sto Vo Kor thing seems confusing, like a plot rationalization.
They could had so many other ways for Dax to go out, but they used Dukat for that, yet barely mention his role in it afterwards.
Heck, Sisko had Dukat right where he wanted and could told Worf if the writers really wanted that.
Having both Worf and Sisko face Dukat would have at least added something extra to the ending.
I wouldn't have minded having Worf tag along with Sisko; one-on-ones and metaphors aside, it just would have made more sense.
I don't know...I think it might have seemed a bit weird since this whole confrontation was supposed to be a DS9 thing and not a TNG one. And yes, I know Worf was on DS9 for a long time, but he was NOT there from the beginning the way Sisko and Dukat were.
I agree, it wouldn't have been perfect or anything. It's just that as much as I love the seventh season (going from memory on all this; we'll see what I have to say when I get there) I do feel the ball was dropped big-time concerning Worf and Dukat. I hope to feel differently when I get to this point in the show, but this thread has really triggered something in me. From my limited memory on everything, it really seems off that Worf didn't go after him or anything.
So in other words, all I meant was, I'd take that over what we got.
I think a lot of viewers can sense when something in the plot seems odd or not exactly right.
When the 7th season began, I found it odd that Worf really didn't say anything about Dukat's role, and later seemed to forget about how Jadzia died.
It was just something you notice.
It wasn't enough to affect how much you liked the episodes, but later on, while watching the reruns, it becomes more obvious.
Like the chances of having a female Trill with dark hair around Jadzia age, who happens to be on the ship the Dax symbiont was on, who happens to be part of the science division (blue uniform) who accepts the transplant, then somehow ends up on DS9 doing almost the same thing Dax did on the Defiant.
Whewww......... lol
When the 7th season began, I found it odd that Worf really didn't say anything about Dukat's role, and later seemed to forget about how Jadzia died.
It was just something you notice.
It wasn't enough to affect how much you liked the episodes, but later on, while watching the reruns, it becomes more obvious.
Like the chances of having a female Trill with dark hair around Jadzia age, who happens to be on the ship the Dax symbiont was on, who happens to be part of the science division (blue uniform) who accepts the transplant, then somehow ends up on DS9 doing almost the same thing Dax did on the Defiant.
Whewww......... lol
True, Worf never met Dukat in the 7th season, but he did encounter Dukat in few other past episodes, and in a few of them, Dukat wasn't seen in a favorable light.
Even more of a reason to want to find him and get revenge.
Right of Vengence, Blood Oaths, risking Starfleet career -it seems like Worf would either mention it, or consider looking for him...
In WYLB, there is a scene where Worf is about to leave DS9, and takes one last look at the station, and then we see his memories of being on the station.
No memories or images of Jadzia Dax! She was probably the most important part of his life there.
We see Ezri, Sisko even Gowron, but no Jadzia.
It just seems like the Dukat/revenge issue was quickly passed over because of writing.
Even more of a reason to want to find him and get revenge.
Right of Vengence, Blood Oaths, risking Starfleet career -it seems like Worf would either mention it, or consider looking for him...
In WYLB, there is a scene where Worf is about to leave DS9, and takes one last look at the station, and then we see his memories of being on the station.
No memories or images of Jadzia Dax! She was probably the most important part of his life there.
We see Ezri, Sisko even Gowron, but no Jadzia.
It just seems like the Dukat/revenge issue was quickly passed over because of writing.
I thought Terry Farrell wasn't allowing them to use her image, for whatever reason. Not sure HOW she did that, and if anyone has any sources or details to explain what the hangup was about using images of Jadzia, that would be helpful.
It had something to do with that sequence in "Penumbra", when Ezri looks around Worf's rooms, memories filling her mind. You hear Terry's voice a lot, number one. Number two, you see her picture near the end.
Apparently, she and her agent thought they were within their rights to demand royalties for all that....
Apparently, she and her agent thought they were within their rights to demand royalties for all that....
Wasn't Worf severely reprimanded for that?
Worf isn't dumb enough to make that mistake twice.
If Ds9 showed us anything about Worf was that he grew from an instinctual brute to a fairly rational man. After what he did in "Rules Of Engagement", he'd learned not to act rashly in the future. Worf knew he couldn't get thought the joint Cardassian/Dominion fleet to get to Dukat. What would be the point of revenge then? Duras was right under his nose.
Yes, I don't believe you can use an image of someone not under contract without permission, I think. I guess it makes sense, as an actor part of what promotes you is your face. If you didn't have control over it, someone could paste your face on a tube of toothpaste and claim you endorse it.
I guessed something like that must have been the reason-but it makes the whole Worf/Dukat/Jadzia thing play out strangely, and the writers had to write around it.
I know the producers couldn't help it much, but by leaving Jadzia out, it looked very odd and contrived.
As far the war, it makes sense, Worf had to be careful.
But it seems like almost everyone else had little problems with this at times-
Ezri left the station in a near suicidal mission to rescue Worf against orders.
Miles and Obrien lured section 31 to the station.
(Couldn't they lured Dukat in a similar way?).
Jadzia herself once left duty to fullfill a blood oath against Sisko's protests.
And Sisko? He might have owed Worf a big one-he told Worf something had to be done about Gowron and Worf killed him to stop him.
A big "might" I'll admit, but Worf accepted the responsibility, and no one was complaining very much afterwards.
Dukat was still a war criminal, Starfleet should have been looking for him, Worf should have been looking for him-
Sisko should have alerted Starfleet and had 100 security and Klingon soldiers AND Worf when he sensed or figured out Dukat was on Bajor.
I know the producers couldn't help it much, but by leaving Jadzia out, it looked very odd and contrived.
As far the war, it makes sense, Worf had to be careful.
But it seems like almost everyone else had little problems with this at times-
Ezri left the station in a near suicidal mission to rescue Worf against orders.
Miles and Obrien lured section 31 to the station.
(Couldn't they lured Dukat in a similar way?).
Jadzia herself once left duty to fullfill a blood oath against Sisko's protests.
And Sisko? He might have owed Worf a big one-he told Worf something had to be done about Gowron and Worf killed him to stop him.
A big "might" I'll admit, but Worf accepted the responsibility, and no one was complaining very much afterwards.
Dukat was still a war criminal, Starfleet should have been looking for him, Worf should have been looking for him-
Sisko should have alerted Starfleet and had 100 security and Klingon soldiers AND Worf when he sensed or figured out Dukat was on Bajor.
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