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Worst episode in each season?

1: Move Along Home
2: Second Sight
3: Meridian
4: The Muse
5: Let He Who Is Without Sin...
6: Profit And Lace
7: The Emperor's New Cloak
 
^^ It isn't that surprising. The Founders views on the solids makes all that Laas had to go through worse, because he would now know that the Founders already felt that way about solids yet sent him off with no knowledge about who he was or where he came from to be raised by "savages". Would you want to return to the people who did that to you? Or would you prefer to say "screw you Founders" and go off to find others like you and form your own community?
 
^ Exactly...

And it's not like the episode doesn't show the prejudice towards the Founders on the part of the 'Solids' - the whole fuss over Laas daring to shapeshift on the Promenade (which is to be expected, with the war and all, but it is still absurd and dickish - that's what the Founders are all about, it's their nature, but you are only able to tolerate them if they pretend to be humanoid? I can tolerate you, but only if you don't show that you're different from me?). We can assume that Laas had been through a lot of unpleasant experiences with the 'Solids' - the example of one Solid really in love with a Founder is not going to change his mind. And Quark's speech about the limits of humanoid tolerance was brilliant - another example of the writers using Quark as a spokesperson for comments on some of the less pleasant aspects of human(oid) nature (one of those moments that sets DS9 apart from other Trek shows)...

The focus on the episode wasn't Laas, anyway... It was Odo - and Kira, and this is the episode where their relationship started really to work, in a beautiful way.
 
Season 1: The Passenger - It's a bad TNG episode with Siddig providing some of the worst acting in Trek history. Luckily, this was an aberration for him.

Season 2: Second Sight - Sisko is in love with a ghost woman, or something. This episode really highlights that the writers had no idea what to do with Sisko at this point.

Season 3: Meridian - An easy target, it's a love story featuring two characters with absolutely no chemistry. The b-story is very good, though.

Season 4: The Muse - It's a vampire MILF, and she's going to eat Jake's brain, or something. It's like a reject script from B5 season 1.

Season 5: Let He Who Is Without Sin... - ...cast the first stone right at Ira Behr's head for writing this piece of crap. Sorry Ira, I love you for the most part, but you need to suffer for this.

Season 6: Profit and Lace - Ira, Ira, Ira... stop smoking that shit.

Season 7: The Emperor's New Cloak - Seriously Ira, you're making me doubt my love for you. :(


Anyway, once I eventually get around to reviewing DS9, this list could change considerably, so don't hold me to it.
 
Season 1: If Wishes were Horses
Season 2: Melora
Season 3: Fascination
Season 4: The Muse
Season 5: Ferengi Love Songs
Season 6: Profit and Lace
Season 7: Prodigal Daughter

This. Just replace the season 6 one with the Morn episode. Whilst Profit and Lace is stupid, this one was just plain boring. I hate to be bored by Star Trek.
 
And it's not like the episode doesn't show the prejudice towards the Founders on the part of the 'Solids' - the whole fuss over Laas daring to shapeshift on the Promenade (which is to be expected, with the war and all, but it is still absurd and dickish - that's what the Founders are all about, it's their nature, but you are only able to tolerate them if they pretend to be humanoid? I can tolerate you, but only if you don't show that you're different from me?).

Yes, that is in their nature and what they do. But, it's also in a humanoid's nature to use the bathroom and we don't do it full view of the public.
 
And it's not like the episode doesn't show the prejudice towards the Founders on the part of the 'Solids' - the whole fuss over Laas daring to shapeshift on the Promenade (which is to be expected, with the war and all, but it is still absurd and dickish - that's what the Founders are all about, it's their nature, but you are only able to tolerate them if they pretend to be humanoid? I can tolerate you, but only if you don't show that you're different from me?).

Yes, that is in their nature and what they do. But, it's also in a humanoid's nature to use the bathroom and we don't do it full view of the public.
It's also in the humanoid nature to eat and drink, and they do it in public. :shifty:



In case you still don't see why your analogy is completely wrong: going to the toilet is something that humans (humanoids?) are ashamed of doing in public. Shapeshifting is not something that the Founders are ashamed of. And the reason why the solids had a problem with that had nothing to do with 'propriety', and had everything to do with fear and hatred of the Founders and their powers.
 
Re: Laas and his racism, we also have to remember that he's older than Odo - hundreds of years older, I think. He has an entirely different perspective on the whole thing. He tried the "fitting in and playing humanoid game," and he got sick of it. He also mentioned to Odo that he had a humanoid mate at one point, one who left him because they couldn't have children. I imagine that hurt quite a bit. Not that I'm saying any of this excuses Laas treating Odo's friends like crap when they did nothing to him, but I can fathom his reasoning. He feels like he's been burned by the solids (most especially the woman who left him), and so he's decided their beneath him; he's sparing himself the pain of caring about them again.

I actually thought "Chimera" was a pretty good epsiode, I definitely wouldn't count it as one of the worst. But that's just me.
 
One of the best episodes of season 7.

One of the show's best, and therefore one of Trek's best as far as the depth of the writing is concerned. There's a lot to be said about it, but I guess I'll just address the topic of the op for the moment. I will say in passing, though, that Laas is not written to inspire sympathy: that is why he blatantly acts like a dick to everyone on the station :) However, while he is unsympathetic, or at least not admirable in his contempt for "humanoids," he is also largely correct in his perception that Odo does not feel he can be himself around his "so-called friends." Therein lies the problem: Odo would like to believe, as we would like to believe, that Laas is wrong and just acting like an a-hole, or just bitter due to his own bad experiences, but the closer Odo looks at his own life, the less he can be sure.

As for the op, the "Each Season's Worst" topic comes up every once in awhile. Mostly there are one or two obvious choices in each season.

For season one, I usually go with Q-Less. It's a RHW script and, while I get that he was trying to highlight the differences between the DS9 crew and the TNG crew, there's just nothing entertaining about this episode other than the spectacle of Sisko punching Q. This should have been kept as a DVD extra, while the rest was deleted. The differences between the two crews' personalities and interactions are obvious and are actually clearer in all the other season one episodes. The Passenger and If Wishes Were Horses are also understandable choices, however.

With season two the choice is much more difficult as nothing really scrapes the bottom of the barrell imo. I go with Rivals, as it bored me the most by a wide margin during a recent rewatch of this season.

With season three, the choices start to become a lot more obvious. It's Meridian or Fascination, hands down, though Ferengi-haters could probably make a case for Family Business due to the cringe-inducing scene where Moogie gets naked and caresses Rom.

Season four: The Muse, I don't think anything else even comes close in what is probably DS9's most consistent season, though not its best.

Season five: Let He Who is Without Sin... is another easy choice. The only real competition is Ferengi Love Songs. This is one of the best seasons in all of sci-fi/fantasy.

Season six: Profit and Lace.

Season seven: Extreme Measures, because it should have been great and wasn't. The Emporer's New Cloak is probably worse, but since it doesn't happen in the middle of the final arc I tend to notice it less.
 
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DevilEyes, I think there was a miscommunication there. Were you talking about how the Klingons got upset when Laas shape-shifted from fog into a humanoid form on the Promenade? Because I was thinking of when Laas wanted Odo to link with him on the Promenade.

If that's what you were referring to, then I agree. Shape-shifting is in their nature and shouldn't be something they should be ashamed of. However, linking is something more private and personal. I guess a better analogy would be humanoids having sex. It's only natural for us to do it, but we don't it in public (at least not usually).
 
I think Laas's explanation of his past hurts with humanoids was the attempt to make us have sympathy for him, but his attitude of being rude to anyone being nice or polite to him made him seem abrasive...

How can you warm to an episode when the primary character is so bitter and suspicious? The episode seemed so somber and tired.

If he joined the link he could stay with just other Changelings all the time.

What was the excuse he gave? They deal too much to do with humanoids or something?
 
Season 1: If Wishes were Horses
Season 2: Melora
Season 3: Fascination
Season 4: The Muse
Season 5: Ferengi Love Songs
Season 6: Profit and Lace
Season 7: Prodigal Daughter

This. Just replace the season 6 one with the Morn episode. Whilst Profit and Lace is stupid, this one was just plain boring. I hate to be bored by Star Trek.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the Morn episode. Maybe I just don't understand it, but I don't think a gag should be turned into an entire episode. That was something Enterprise did too much in the forth season.
 
How can you warm to an episode when the primary character is so bitter and suspicious? The episode seemed so somber and tired.
Self identification, I suppose. :shrug: Hell, it's the entire reasoning behind my love of Charlie Brooker.

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Season 1: The Passenger
Season 2: Second Sight
Season 3: Meridian
Season 4: The Muse (possibly the only bad episode that season)
Season 5: Let He Who Is Without Sin...
Season 6: Change of Heart (worst episode of the entire series)
Season 7: The Emperor's New Cloak
 
Season 1: The Passenger

Season 2: Second Sight

Season 3: Meridian

Season 4: The Muse

Season 5: Let He Who Is Without Sin...

Season 6: Profit and Lace

Season 7: The Emperor's New Cloak

I completely agree with this list except for Season 6. My Season 6 runner-up is Profit and Lace. I think Change of Heart is the worst episode of the series, yet no-one mentions it. There must be something wrong with me, or with everyone else.
 
Why not? I'll weigh in, too, but without looking much at what others have said. I wonder how my list will compare.

Note: I dislike *all* mirror universe episodes, so I'm not even listing them.

I really wonder how my list will compare to others.

Also: I don't think these are the seven worst DS9 episodes, just my least favorite from *each season*.

1. The Forsaken
2. Sanctuary
3. Fascination
4. The Sword of Kahless
5. The Ascent/A Simple Investigation (tie)
6. Profit and Lace
7. Invasive Procedures edit: I meant Extreme Measures. Ooops.


Again, there are more I disliked than some listed here, but they occured in seasons that already had a "least favorite". And I still can't stand *any* MU shows.
 
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Why not? I'll weigh in, too, but without looking much at what others have said. I wonder how my list will compare.

Note: I dislike *all* mirror universe episodes, so I'm not even listing them.

I really wonder how my list will compare to others.

Also: I don't think these are the seven worst DS9 episodes, just my least favorite from *each season*.

1. The Forsaken
2. Sanctuary
3. Fascination
4. The Sword of Kahless
5. The Ascent/A Simple Investigation (tie)
6. Profit and Lace
7. Invasive Procedures
Do you mean Extreme Measures? Invasive Procedures was a season 2 episode with Verad Dax.
 
1. The Passenger
2. Rules of Acquisition
3. Past Tense 1& 2
4. The Muse
5. Looking for parMach
6. Honor Among Thieves
7. Prodigal Daughter

And I'm with Cepstrum here - I don't like any of MU eps either.
 
It's not often the "Past Tense" two-parter gets listed. That's an interesting take. Someone else earlier in the thread mentioned it as well.

"Honor Among Thieves" is another one of those episodes people tend to like. And Cepstrum, I don't remember anything about "Change of Heart" but the premise, though judging by the premise I can see it being fairly bad. Worst in the series, though? Unique take.
 
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