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"Implosion ... caused by the extreme negligence of her Captain."

RapidNadion

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This might belong in Trek Tech, but I'm curious whether any of you fine people have theories about what bizarre space catastrophe might cause a starship to implode, as the Vulcan admiral claimed happened to the Horatio in "Conspiracy."

To be clear, I get that the crayfish-possessed Starfleet conspirators were most certainly behind the Horatio's destruction, but why would "implosion" be so commonplace a method of space vessel destruction as not to warrant a more detailed explanation?

Speculation time!
 
How are we know that implosion is actually what happened? Picard's reaction is a bit incredulous and as a viewer, I wouldn't take anything said by those under the influence as true in any sense. The ship could've been destroyed by other means, but we will never know the true reason, whether it actually was implosion or not.
 
I think said Admiral, with the parasite in his head, is covering up two possibilities:

1) That Tryla Scott, also under parasitic control, blew the Horatio up with her ship.
2) Horatio officers that had been taken over, as suspected by Walker Keel, caused her destruction.
 
Yes, but the OP is asking what could cause an implosion.

I'm going for an inverted warp core breach due to unsustainable dio-retro-peptides getting into the antimatter stream.

In other words, I've no idea, but can come up with some hokey technobabble in the best spirit of Voyagers writing staff.
 
The episode itself doesn't offer us much clues, but we can look at this in a broader context. TOS had introduced the idea of warp engine implosion (albeit a controlled one) back in "The Naked Time" already.

It sounded like a user-selectable option there - some sort of a procedure that violently "compacts" something in the engines, in a manner that can be either destructive or then not.

ENT "Twilight" seemed to further extrapolate on that, as Archer used his ship's warp engines to create a subspace implosion, this time in a manner that necessarily destroyed the engines and the ship.

Probably it is possible to manipulate subspace with a ship's warp engines in various ways, and sometimes this is beneficial, sometimes suicidal, and sometimes can simply happen if the engines aren't monitored closely enough. The ship herself will not implode in the literal sense, but will be destroyed by the subspace implosion.

Timo Saloniemi
 
If that's the case, then Picard should have immediately demanded to know the extraordinary circumstances that led to the captain fiddling with the engines in such a way. The way it is, with Picard not inquiring further, it makes it seem like Picard is resigned to the fact that it was an unfortunate accident that happened during routine operations. At least that's the sense I got from the scene, and seems to be what the OP got from it as well.
 
The controlled implosion in "The Naked Time" was a way to hasten the restarting of warp engines. Quite plausibly, careless skippers would cut corners like that even outside emergencies, in perfectly regular and frequently occurring situations where they wanted to go to warp in a hurry. Perhaps a leading cause of starship loss outside Starfleet?

That Walker Keel would be accused of such a thing would of course be outrageous. But the mechanism of ship loss would not be.

An analogy from the real world? A bit difficult nowadays when the engines of vehicles are not user-accessible. Perhaps something like using the auxiliary engine of a sailboat to navigate a stretch of a route where winds are not favorable - without bothering to reduce the amount of canvas for that very short stretch, meaning the sailboat will capsize at the first squall. Lazy skippers risk their lives, while regulation-adhering military commanders never would.

The way it is, with Picard not inquiring further, it makes it seem like Picard is resigned to the fact that it was an unfortunate accident that happened during routine operations.
Certainly not. Picard didn't buy the "explanation" for a moment, even if we don't know whether this was because Keel would never have acted that way or because the entire mechanism was implausible. He only "resigned" because his opponent was clearly lying; nothing would be won by challenging him. Hell, he didn't even try and pretend he wasn't lying! That mocking tone of voice established that whether Picard believed the claim or not would be irrelevant.

Reminds me of a relative's visit to the nickel mines on Soviet Kola. "You appear to have something of an environmental problem here (everything quite literally black with death for miles around the chimneys of the foundries)?" "Oh, yes, our scientists are pretty sure it's due to pollution from Western Europe." What could be added to such a statement?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Reminds me of a relative's visit to the nickel mines on Soviet Kola. "You appear to have something of an environmental problem here (everything quite literally black with death for miles around the chimneys of the foundries)?" "Oh, yes, our scientists are pretty sure it's due to pollution from Western Europe." What could be added to such a statement?

Timo Saloniemi

:guffaw: Brilliant!
 
Their ship's version of Wesley Crusher got a science experiment approved by the captain. It didn't end well.
 
Well, let's start with the basics. To implode is to burst inward, as opposed to an explosion, a bursting outward. An implosion happens when the pressure outside a vessel or container becomes sufficiently greater than the internal pressure that it causes a sudden catastrophic inward rupture or collapse. The original use of the word was to describe the effect of high pressure in the ocean depths on, presumably, a diver or submersible.

So the simplest, least technobabbly answer to what could cause a starship to implode is that it ended up in an extremely high-pressure environment, for instance, deep in a Jovian atmosphere. The alleged negligence could have been a failure to shore up the structural integrity fields sufficiently for the maneuver.

Alternatively, if a ship flew into a particularly dense clump of nebular matter (and all Trek nebulae are extraordinarily dense compared to the real thing) at high sublight velocity, and without a sufficiently effective navigational deflector, then that might exert a considerable pressure on the front of the ship and cause a hull implosion -- maybe.


I'm not sure quite how to make sense of the "controlled implosion" in "The Naked Time," but it was presented as something that would prevent the ship's destruction rather than causing it.

SCOTT: Captain, you can't mix matter and antimatter cold. We'd go up in the biggest explosion since --
KIRK: We can balance our engines into a controlled implosion.
SCOTT: That's only a theory. It's never been done.
... If you wanted to chance odds of ten thousand to one, maybe, assuming we had a row of computers working weeks on the right formula.

And later:
SPOCK: Obviously, we were successful. The engines imploded.
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/7.htm

It sounds like they're saying that "cold" matter and antimatter would react catastrophically in an explosion, but the theory is that the forces could be redirected in such a way that they'd be focused inward, containing and presumably amplifying the reaction. Not sure that makes sense, but I suppose it could be likened to the idea of a shaped explosion, something that directs the force in a desired and useful direction rather than destructively outward in all directions. But it's something that only happens if the calculations are exactly right, otherwise you get an explosion.

Whatever the case, though, if implosion happens successfully, then the ship survives (although it might experience the odd time warp here and there). So if the conspirators were claiming that an implosion destroyed the Horatio, this wouldn't have been what they were talking about.


Hard to say what a "subspace implosion" could be. How do you define pressures in subspace? Perhaps something similar to a warp bubble, something creating a spacetime metric that causes a region of subspace to collapse in on itself like a black hole.
 
Combining the three implosion references ("Twilight", "Naked Time", "Conspiracy") shouldn't be difficult...

1) Warp engines change the geometry of subspace. Normally, they expand or contract it gradually and in a controlled manner.
2) A hasty start may result in subspace expanding violently, "exploding", which is bad for the ship and her surroundings.
3) OTOH, a hasty start may just as well result in subspace compressing violently, "imploding", which is just as bad, and perhaps a more common failure mode.
4) Scotty was the first to successfully countermand the "explosion" with a deliberately initiated "implosion", thus creating a careful balance and preventing the destruction of the ship in the hasty "cold" start. He could just as well have overshot his target, in which case he would have avoided the explosion but would have succumbed to the implosion...

Several things in "Naked Time" should be taken less than literally. The temperature of antimatter was probably never a consideration: "cold" was merely the synonym for "rushed". And "engines imploding" was probably shorthand for "engines causing subspace to implode", because there was no indication that the engines after the implosion were any more physically compact than before the implosion!

Timo Saloniemi
 
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