If the Vorta don't have a sense of aestethics...

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Someone help me out here. If, as Weyoun 5 told Major Kira, the Vorta have no sense of aestethics, that would also mean having no sense of fashion/style, right?

So if that's the case, then how come just about every Vorta we meet is so stylishly dressed?

But really, seriously, I love they way they dressed the Vorta! There was always this layered, asymmetrical look to their clothing that was kind of cool. I thought they were snappy dressers ever since we met Eris in "The Jem'Hadar." Weyoun always looked sharp in his outfit, and hello, Kilana from "The Ship?" Not only did she wear a flattering outfit that showed off her smokin' body, she had make-up and earrings! Why would a being with no sense of beauty wear earrings?

I mean, think about it ... if they have no fashion sense, who's dressing them? Surely the Founders don't care about such things.

I know this is a silly little thing but it always bugged me.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Maybe every Vorta had his/her own private Holdfast?

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Holdfast? What's that? Please to explain ...

 

[Danny99]

They are the face of the Dominion in many respects. They probably dress accordingly for dealing with outside species.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

But Danny99, how would the Vorta know how to "dress accordingly" if they don't have any fashion sense? See, that's what I'm asking ...

 

[Praxius]

But Danny99, how would the Vorta know how to "dress accordingly" if they don't have any fashion sense? See, that's what I'm asking ...

I doubt they had any sense of aesthetics when it came to room attire, art, music, etc.... but in regards to what they wore or put on their faces ala makeup, chances are they knew the basics based on what common things other species they encountered over the centuries wore in order to be more aesthetically pleasing during meetings with those species.... ie: the old "Sex Sells" concept.... make those you are dealing with communicate with someone that's not so hard on the eyes and they may be more willing to relate to what you're saying, as well as be more open.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Praxius, that actually makes sense. LOL, maybe Kilana got make-up tips from females of the species conquered by the Dominion?

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Well, there ya go. Just goes to show any and all races absorbed into the Dominion would have a purpose within that very Dominion. I can just see it:

Founder: "These people are so backwards even I see absolutely no reason to conquer them. Our resources would be wasted in doing so. They pose no threat whatsoever, and that's 'high praise' coming from us."

Vorta: "Yes, Founder, of course, Founder... the Founder is wise, the Founder is wise... but..."

Founder: "...but?"

Vorta: "Forgive me, Founder. But I believe they possess the knowledge to further the Vorta goal to accomplish what other species might call... dressing well for any occasion."

Founder: "Ah... very well. Your people do need lessons, after all. Send a battalion."

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Well, there ya go. Just goes to show any and all races absorbed into the Dominion would have a purpose within that very Dominion. I can just see it:

Founder: "These people are so backwards even I see absolutely no reason to conquer them. Our resources would be wasted in doing so. They pose no threat whatsoever, and that's 'high praise' coming from us."

Vorta: "Yes, Founder, of course, Founder... the Founder is wise, the Founder is wise... but..."

Founder: "...but?"

Vorta: "Forgive me, Founder. But I believe they possess the knowledge to further the Vorta goal to accomplish what other species might call... dressing well for any occasion."

Founder: "Ah... very well. Your people do need lessons, after all. Send a battalion."

HAH! And then when they send in the battalion:

Vorta: "Does this outfit make me look fat?"

Member of conquered race: "Umm..."

Vorta: "No really, be honest."

Member of conquered race: "Maybe just a little bit.."

Vorta: "How dare you?! I'm sending in the Jem'Hadar!"

Member of conquered race: "Damn."

 

[Marie1]

ROTFL!!! Keep going!

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I mean, think about it ... if they have no fashion sense, who's dressing them? Surely the Founders don't care about such things.

I know this is a silly little thing but it always bugged me.

Actually, I bet the Founders WOULD care about that, since they are trying to make the Vorta as alluring as possible. I imagine their uniforms are standard issue, and each Vorta is told exactly which ones suit them. I doubt there's any guesswork involved.

 

[Myasishchev]

Why do half the females in Trek wear makeup? Answer: because it's a TV show. There is absolutely no in-universe reason for a Vorta or Vulcan to wear makeup. Or for our heroines to sleep in their makeup or (apparently) reapply it in a crisis situation.

The problem lies not in the stars but in ourselves. Well, other selves, not me.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Actually, I bet the Founders WOULD care about that, since they are trying to make the Vorta as alluring as possible. I imagine their uniforms are standard issue, and each Vorta is told exactly which ones suit them. I doubt there's any guesswork involved.

Yes, but I don't get the impression the Founders care much or understand much about the outward appearance of Solids. In the season 4 finale, Female Founder meets with a sick Odo, who says, "Not a pretty sight, am I?" She then chides about caring about his outward appearance, saying "such concerns are more fitting for Solids." I'm going with the conquered-world-people-as-fashion-advisers theory, which is ... fun!

Now I'm trying to imagine a conversation Kilana having some sort of conversation about her outfit: "What is this cleavage of which you speak, and how will it distract my male adversaries?"

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Now I'm trying to imagine a conversation Kilana having some sort of conversation about her outfit: "What is this cleavage of which you speak, and how will it distract my male adversaries?"

I can just picture THAT negotiating tactic... "Join the Dominion and you can touch the boobies."

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Actually, I bet the Founders WOULD care about that, since they are trying to make the Vorta as alluring as possible. I imagine their uniforms are standard issue, and each Vorta is told exactly which ones suit them. I doubt there's any guesswork involved.

Yes, but I don't get the impression the Founders care much or understand much about the outward appearance of Solids. In the season 4 finale, Female Founder meets with a sick Odo, who says, "Not a pretty sight, am I?" She then chides about caring about his outward appearance, saying "such concerns are more fitting for Solids." I'm going with the conquered-world-people-as-fashion-advisers theory, which is ... fun!

Now I'm trying to imagine a conversation Kilana having some sort of conversation about her outfit: "What is this cleavage of which you speak, and how will it distract my male adversaries?"

They probably DID have that discussion!

But I imagine while she wouldn't think it was appropriate for a Founder to care about outward appearance, she would know how to use it to manipulate Solids and see it as a means to an end.

 

[Praxius]

Well, there ya go. Just goes to show any and all races absorbed into the Dominion would have a purpose within that very Dominion. I can just see it:

Founder: "These people are so backwards even I see absolutely no reason to conquer them. Our resources would be wasted in doing so. They pose no threat whatsoever, and that's 'high praise' coming from us."

Vorta: "Yes, Founder, of course, Founder... the Founder is wise, the Founder is wise... but..."

Founder: "...but?"

Vorta: "Forgive me, Founder. But I believe they possess the knowledge to further the Vorta goal to accomplish what other species might call... dressing well for any occasion."

Founder: "Ah... very well. Your people do need lessons, after all. Send a battalion."

HAH! And then when they send in the battalion:

Vorta: "Does this outfit make me look fat?"

Member of conquered race: "Umm..."

Vorta: "No really, be honest."

Member of conquered race: "Maybe just a little bit.."

Vorta: "How dare you?! I'm sending in the Jem'Hadar!"

Member of conquered race: "Damn."

Vorta: *looks away with arms stretched outward* "Founder, I am sorry for disturbing you with such trivial things, however these Orion Girls have introduced us to many cultural and social advantages that could be useful for our.... er.... diplomatic relations with the Alpha Quadrant, which may help save our resources and troop levels for when we may really need them."

Founder: *sigh* "And what would that be?"

Vorta: "Apparently we have been going about this the wrong way, as these females seem to be able to gain a lot of attention and able to sway the judgment of those near them.... while our clothing may be stylish and appealing to most species we encounter, it would appear as a general rule that many of the species in this quadrant are drawn by more exposure of the body then they are with clothing with fancy color transitions..... the less there is worn, the more they have an affect on an individual."

Founder: "Whatever.... have all Vorta in this quadrant conduct their meetings nude then."

Vorta: *bows and looks away* "The Founder is wise, in all things."

*Later during the Vorta's first meeting....*

Vorta: "So, has the Federation reached a decision on joining with the Dominion in peaceful harmony and co-operation?"

Sisko: *squints his eyes with a puzzled look on his face while rubbing his goatee* "First things first......" *shaking his finger in the air while looking at the ground* "....do all Vorta have very small penises with all their fuzzy pubes located at the end of their penis to look like a Poodle's tail?"

Vorta: "Yes, why? I'm not sure where you're going with this."

 

[CorporalClegg]

Now I'm trying to imagine a conversation Kilana having some sort of conversation about her outfit: "What is this cleavage of which you speak, and how will it distract my male adversaries?"

I can just picture THAT negotiating tactic... "Join the Dominion and you can touch the boobies."

It's how the Vorta keep abreast of things.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Praxius, I'm eating! Damn ....

It's how the Vorta keep abreast of things.

Hee. Good thing it was Sisko who was dealing with her. Kirk would have been a goner.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Why, this has proven itself to be quite the thread, hasn't it? Haha. Nice work, Praxius.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Hey Jeff, what am I, chopped liver? Don't forget to give some love to the OP!