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Enterprise A novels?

Re: Endgame: Im Confused. -Definate Spoilers-

My impression was that the crew had gone their seperate ways a while before STVI, and they were all rounded up for one last mission.

McCoy not knowing where Sulu was indicates the split may have been more than 3 years previously.

What were they doing in that time?
Here's a few guesses (keep in mind I haven't seen the film in ages!):

McCoy was retired again.

Sulu was on Excelsior.

Spock was training cadets on the Enterprise again (including Valaris).

Kirk was...dunno.

Chekov was probably on the Enterprise with Spock (and wondering what happened to his career since being XO of Reliant :lol:)

Scotty was on earth, maybe teaching or designing.

Uhura was on earth, probably teaching at the academy.
 
^ I think you're right (and that fits with Flinn Martin's planned opening where Kirk hunts down the command crew), but it's an idea the tie-in fiction has pretty much always ignored.
 
There was theory in one of the tech books (Mr. Scotty's Guide to the Enterprise?) that the E-A was the Yorktown and just given a new name. So, it wasn't a new ship but rather an existing Constitution ship which had already been refitted, or was about to have its refit finished. Given the problems the ship had at the start of Star Trek V, some of that would make sense. If the ship was as old as the original Enterprise, then that fits with the "decommissioned" line in ST VI.
Indeed I was reading a bit on the building of the WWII aircraft carrier Enterprise, she was laid down on the same ways as her sister ship of the same period, the carrier Yorktown. Both ships were based on the same basic layout but infact varied greatly by the time of their commissioning(s). So the gang at Paramount may have been hinting at something kind of historical.
 
Wasn't the Lexington in ST-IV? Disabled by the probe. Running out of power? What if the crew died nut the ship was saved. That could explain how it came to be re-named.
 
Re: Endgame: Im Confused. -Definate Spoilers-

My impression was that the crew had gone their seperate ways a while before STVI, and they were all rounded up for one last mission.
That's the way I saw it too. There seems to have been a number of years between Star Trek V and Star Trek VI. It's possible that the Enterprise-A might have been reclassified as part of a reserve fleet or reserved for special missions by the time Star Trek VI came about.

Christopher said:
I find the whole ending of TUC rather strange. The entire crew retiring at once? How does that make sense, given the substantial differences in age, rank, and experience? The whole thing was rather contrived in the name of giving the original cast a sendoff. So I try not to dwell on it too much.
I thought it was easily just a case that this particular crew were officially going their separate ways after the better part of 30 years. No more missions together.
 
Wasn't the Lexington in ST-IV? Disabled by the probe. Running out of power? What if the crew died nut the ship was saved. That could explain how it came to be re-named.
That was Yorktown. Also, Mr. Scott's Guide says the E-A was a new-build originally named Ti-Ho.
 
Now, taking GEN into consideration, the decommissioning must refer to the ship, though this makes Kirk's log entry a little strange.

Why should something that Uhura is being told in ST6 have to mean something that happens in ST:GEN?

Uhura was probably told by Starfleet something like "Well done, guys, now stop creating more crises and retire ASAP", as regarded the top officers of the ship, while nothing was said about the ship. Kirk then assumed the ship would be handed over to new folks. But some time after their return, Kirk learned differently. The decision might have been made as the result of damage assessment done after arrival, long after the end credits had rolled.

The only deadline we have for the decision, really, is that Starfleet needed enough time to paint the new name on the E-B and to send out invitations for VIPs and press for her launch. Perhaps the decision to retire the E-A was made three days before the GEN teaser scene?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Wasn't the Lexington in ST-IV? Disabled by the probe. Running out of power? What if the crew died nut the ship was saved. That could explain how it came to be re-named.
That was Yorktown. Also, Mr. Scott's Guide says the E-A was a new-build originally named Ti-Ho.

Because I never understood why the refit Constitution-class design was being retired after only twenty years on service (2273-2293), and the Enterprise-A was only launched in 2286,

I prefer to think that in ST VI, when they say the ship is being decommissioned, Starfleet had decided to transfer the name to one of its new, prolific Excelsior-class vessels, and to do so, they had to decommission the Ent-A, so that it could then be relaunched under a new name. The idea, in Ashes of Eden, that it would be sold off to a world in Klingon space, just seemed ridiculous to me.

Indeed, Spock had been planning on having Valeris replace him as science officer, so they hadn't planned on seeing the Ent-A decommissioned...

In ST:TWOK, I always felt that the Ent 1701 was serving as an academy training vessel not because it was obsolete, but rather because Kirk was a head trainer at the academy, and got his former command rotated into the training roster - perhaps starships rotate the assignment of academy training vessels...
 
Re: Endgame: Im Confused. -Definate Spoilers-

Chekov was probably on the Enterprise with Spock (and wondering what happened to his career since being XO of Reliant :lol:)

I wonder, might Chekov have been the Enterprise's first officer in this scenario? He seems to perform that role in Star Trek VI, to an extent (allowing that Spock, as ranking officer present, might take command after Kirk's arrest, despite having been - perhaps - only temporarily assigned to the Enterprise).
 
Wasn't the Lexington in ST-IV? Disabled by the probe. Running out of power? What if the crew died nut the ship was saved. That could explain how it came to be re-named.
That was Yorktown. Also, Mr. Scott's Guide says the E-A was a new-build originally named Ti-Ho.

Because I never understood why the refit Constitution-class design was being retired after only twenty years on service (2273-2293), and the Enterprise-A was only launched in 2286,

...
Because they were a piece if junk only an engineer of Scotty's caliber could keep running. ;)
 
What about novels set between V & VI?

They were going to retire the original E in 2286. She was about the same age as Yorktown( ~40 ) yrs. I'm guessing they chose to honor Kirk & Co by renaming Yorktown, but had planned long ago to replace the Constitution class with the Excelsior class.
 
The only novel I can think of set between V and VI is Probe. There was an entire DC Comics series set in the time period (I only got a few issues - did we ever find out what did "R.J." stood for?)
 
The only novel I can think of set between V and VI is Probe.

There's also In the Name of Honor, The Rift, the novel based on the Starfleet Academy computer game, and the even-numbered chapters of The Captain's Table: War Dragons. Plus a story called "Bloodline" in WildStorm Comics' 2001 Star Trek Special.
 
How the fuck did Peter David get Paramount's licensing department to approve that? :lol:

Star Trek Special #1 (Spring), "Blaise of Glory", was published in 1994. Richard Arnold's position - of scrutinizing the licensed tie-in manuscripts for the Star Trek Office - finished up in September 1991, when Gene Roddenberry passed away. RA had insisted on RJ departing the regular Series II issues way back with #12 (Sept 1990).
 
How about a novel explaining why Ten Forward replicates the design of the Federation President's office c. 2293? (Yes, I know it's actually vice-versa, but I'm speaking in-universe here.)

What, you've never gone on bar crawls and ended up in a pub that looks like the Oval Office?
 
Uhura was probably told by Starfleet something like "Well done, guys, now stop creating more crises and retire ASAP", as regarded the top officers of the ship, while nothing was said about the ship. Kirk then assumed the ship would be handed over to new folks. But some time after their return, Kirk learned differently. The decision might have been made as the result of damage assessment done after arrival, long after the end credits had rolled.

The only deadline we have for the decision, really, is that Starfleet needed enough time to paint the new name on the E-B and to send out invitations for VIPs and press for her launch. Perhaps the decision to retire the E-A was made three days before the GEN teaser scene?

Ships are decommissioned. Officers are either cashiered (see General Stanley McChrystal...) or allowed to retire.

I am thinking what Uhura is referring to is that the Ent-A was informed via subspace by the Admiralty that the ship would be decommissioned upon her return to Earth, given (1) a political need to show both the citizens of the Federation an immediate "peace dividend" of the end of a Cold War with the Klingons and demonstrate committment to the peace process with the Klingons [and what better way to demonstrate to them by beginning to decommission what they view as "battle cruisers"?] and (2) the sting of decommissioning Ent-A would be alleviated somewhat by the announcement of giving her name and registry to a new Excelsior-class ship. Additionally, though the ship may not necessarily have been first on the chopping block, the damage she took during the battle with the BoP may have shot her to the top of the list...no sense spending good credits and materials to repair something that's long in the tooth as it is. AND, they might have been formulating plans to turn Ent-A into an exhibit at the Fleet Museum, leaving her battle wounds intact.

Of course, your interpretation might also be correct and Uhura was just being discreet on behalf of the young ears on the bridge. After all, nothing inspires more confidence among the ratings and junior officers on a shot-to-hell ship crippling back to Earth after a pitched battle with the entire peace process at stake than knowing your senior officers are gonna get fired when you get home...given the rather dubious nature of Kirk's "command style" and his, uh, creativity when it comes to following orders, his superiors may have decided post-Khitomer Conference that enough was enough and pulled the plug on the guy before another calamity befell them. Sure, everything worked out just fine in the end, but it could have all easily gone south.

Kirk's comments "This ship and her history" might have been construed to mean the moving of the name and registry to the new Excelsior...or he might have already been plotting some way to keep her around after he was gone, whether to persuade the powers-that-be to give Chekov a shot at the captaincy, or for the events that ultimately led to the Shatnerverse book. How you define the "This ship and her history" line is subjective listening. Something like "Let's eat, Grandma!" versus Let's eat Grandma!"...

Regarding the Yorktown/Ent-A debate, the decommissioning comments do give more credence to that theory, that Ent-A is the old USS Yorktown as damaged by the Whalesong Probe in ST4. And given that the crew may well have died in that incident, the decision-makers might have gone ahead and given Yorktown's name over to a new Excelsior-class; when Kirk and company saved the day, they then decided to "regift" Yorktown and give him the ghost ship to keep him happy. He would have been so giddy to get a ship again that he may not have asked the tougher questions. Kirk gets an Enterprise, an Excelsior-class gets the Yorktown name; everyone's happy and it's a win-win for all parties involved.

(a brief conversation overheard in Transporter Room 1 right before Ent-A leaves SpaceDock for the ST5 mission...

Ensign Redshirt..."Hey, Chief, isn't this ship the old Yorktown? Y'know, the one where the entire crew died horribly in the cold dark of space when the Probe drained all power, even from the lifeboats and EVA suits?"

Old Chief..."Naw, kid; that's just an old fuckin' sea story. Don't worry about it. I'm going on leave now, but have a nice flight to Nimbus 3...and keep an eye out for all-powerful alien entities!")

That also goes a long way to explain the various tech anomalies plaguing Ent-A in ST5; as aftermath from the Probe exposure despite Scotty's best efforts. For all we knew, the Saratoga suffered from the same effects.

I think what the author of "Mr Scott's Guide To The Enterprise" was getting at when he called the new ship the former USS Ti-Ho was that he meant perhaps the former USS Taiho, which was a WW2 Japanese carrier sunk in the Battle of the Philippine Sea. If he's on the BBS somewhere or someone knows where he is, we could ask him.
 
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