TOS Revisited (for the umpteenth time)

[Forbin]

It's also possible that it were only their consciousnesses which were swapped in Mirror, Mirror.

I was thinking much the same thing.

I hadn't thought of it before, but it's a darn good rationalization for the uniforms. I mean, how carzy is it that they'd matreialize perfectly inside someone else's clothes, in perfect alignment?

We also watched Mirror Mirror recently. I commented on Nichelle's fine, well-defined abs. My wife rolled her eyes and said "she's sucking in her gut."

 

[scotpens]

I hadn't thought of it before, but it's a darn good rationalization for the uniforms. I mean, how carzy is it that they'd matreialize perfectly inside someone else's clothes, in perfect alignment?

That's happened to me on a few Sunday mornings.

 

[Captrek]

If we assume that body and consciousness are distinct and that the landing party’s bodies are identical to those of their counterparts, then the difference between the two theories of “They switched consciousnesses only” and “They switched both bodies and consciousnesses” is purely semantic.

If we assume that memories, personalities, etc., are represented inside the human brain and that the brain is part of the body, then the bodies must have switched.

I mean, how carzy is it that they'd matreialize perfectly inside someone else's clothes, in perfect alignment?

How carzy is it that the same four people would be beaming in the same place at the same time? Presumably there are factors at work that cause things in the two universes to coincide at the interphase.

 

[Captain Robert April]

It's all rather confusing really.

( Goon Show Series 5, Episode 3
First broadcast on October 12, 1954)

What's brown and sounds like a bell?

 

[Willieck]

It's all rather confusing really.

( Goon Show Series 5, Episode 3
First broadcast on October 12, 1954)

What's brown and sounds like a bell?

Dung.

 

[Willieck]

Watched two "fun" episodes this afternoon; Catspaw and I Mudd.

I was prepared to put Catspaw in the rubbish episodes but I really enjoyed it this time round. If it had been made in the UK it might have been called Carry On Trek or in the US, Abbott and Costello Meets Star Trek or some such thing. It is obviously meant as a comedy right down to those silly puppets at the end.

Also If I had been DeSalle in command of Enterprise I too would have had some difficulty taking Chekov seriously with that hair. He looked like a muppet!!


I know it's not everybody's favourite bit I also like I Mudd for the same reason. It is basically a comedy or even a send up.
Roger C. Carmel as Harry Mudd is brilliant.

I think that the end where Harry is left with 500 replicas of his wife Stella is hilarious.

 

[cgervasi]

Court Martial Nits

Just watched Court Martial

I liked the concept, but some nits stand out for me in this eposide:

• The Enterprise has a records officers who is one of the few people who can program the ship's computer, yet we never hear about this position apart from in this episode. Maybe this is a really undesirable bureaucratic position, and that's why he was so angry.
• I was unclear about what the ion pod was and why one of the senior officers, a records officer, was sent into a dangerous situation.
• When the court convened about the Enterprise, Kirk said they had no engine crew so the orbit would begin to decay after a time, but the court proceedings would be complete before that happened. How did Finney's sabotage have any effect if they weren't using engines? Why does Kirk say that Finney's sabotage will kill people? Can't they just leave the ship by transporter, shuttle, or escape pod?
• Kirk's attorney seems surprised by the computer evidence. The Starfleet court does not seem to have a discovery process.
• What was Finney's long-term plan? Would he sneak off the ship and stay in hiding long enough for Kirk's career to be destroyed? Maybe his estate was going to sue the captain's chair console manufacturer for putting a control that can vent part of the ship into space by pressing a single button next to where the captain sets his coffee cup.

 

[Captrek]

The best part about Court Martial is how Kirk saves the day by threatening the life of the villain’s young daughter. This is undoubtedly Jack Bauer’s favorite episode.

 

[scotpens]

Re: Court Martial Nits

Just watched Court Martial

. . . I was unclear about what the ion pod was and why one of the senior officers, a records officer, was sent into a dangerous situation.

There's an entire thread on that subject:

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=114036

 

[Willieck]

Metamorphosis.

Not my all time favourite episode. I much prefer the later manifestation of Zefran Cochrane in TNG. This guy was a bit dull to say the least!

However the episode contains one of my favourite ST quotes.

Cochrane: I could even provide you with a hot bath.

Commissioner: How perceptive of you to notice that I needed one. (ouch)

 

[Forbin]

Oh, Metamorphosis is one of my favorites. Very romantic.

 

[Warped9]

I hated TNG's Zefram Cochrane.

 

[Willieck]

I hated TNG's Zefram Cochrane.

Oh well, you can't please everybody. But at least he was real. the guy in TOS looked more like an android.

 

[Warped9]

I hated TNG's Zefram Cochrane.

Oh well, you can't please everybody. But at least he was real. the guy in TOS looked more like an android.

Not in my book. The TNG Cochrane was a revisionist drunken shit.

 

[BillJ]

I hated TNG's Zefram Cochrane.

Oh well, you can't please everybody. But at least he was real. the guy in TOS looked more like an android.

Not in my book. The TNG Cochrane was a revisionist drunken shit.

Call me crazy but I actually enjoyed both versions of the character. One was a victim of a post-apocalyptic horror, the other a man revitalized after long term exposure to the companion.

I actually think they fit together quite nicely.

 

[Warped9]

Oh well, you can't please everybody. But at least he was real. the guy in TOS looked more like an android.

Not in my book. The TNG Cochrane was a revisionist drunken shit.

Call me crazy but I actually enjoyed both versions of the character. One was a victim of a post-apocalyptic horror, the other a man revitalized after long term exposure to the companion.

I actually think they fit together quite nicely.

TOS' Cochrane had been rejuvenated and he displayed none of the bullshit that TNG infused him with. Because, of course, they're different continuities.

 

[BillJ]

Not in my book. The TNG Cochrane was a revisionist drunken shit.

Call me crazy but I actually enjoyed both versions of the character. One was a victim of a post-apocalyptic horror, the other a man revitalized after long term exposure to the companion.

I actually think they fit together quite nicely.

TOS' Cochrane had been rejuvenated and he displayed none of the bullshit that TNG infused him with. Because, of course, they're different continuities.

Since we know nothing of Cochrane prior to his encounter with the Companion, except that he invented warp drive, there is nothing really contradictory between the two interpretations.

To think that he was just a vanilla guy with no background or history is pretty uninteresting.

 

[scotpens]

I wasn't particularly fond of either portrayal of Zefram Cochrane -- eccentric aging hippie loner or boring wimp. But “Metamorphosis” is a lovely story, enhanced by George Duning's lush, melodic score (he also did the music for “Return to Tomorrow,” “Is There In Truth No Beauty” and “The Empath”).

 

[Captain Robert April]

Apparently (or maybe a better word would be "allegedly"), between FC and when he went flying off into space to die, he got a lot more noble and high falutin' (interstellar awards and accolades can do a lot to make a guy clean up his act). As for the hundred and fifty years he spent on that planetoid with the Companion, well, who's to say what kind of attitude adjustment that'll do to a guy.

I just wish they'd cast somebody who bore at least a vague resemblence to Glenn Corbett. George Clooney would've been a good choice, and he was cheap at the time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Heard they wanted Tom Hanks.