Since YOU were the one who brought it up, I'm wondering if you are aware how ironic that statement is.
Why exactly would a modulation that is effective against the ship's distribution nodes have any effect at all against drones? That's like saying you can knock out all of the Enterprise's computers just by setting your phasers on stun.
Not forgetting at all. I again repeat that the first use of weapons against the Borg did no damage at all in their first two encounters. I even SPECIFICALLY mentioned that this had ceased to be a factor by the next major encounter--namely First Contact--by which point Borg tactics had become so laughable as to render the entire point academic: you don't need deflector blasts to defeat later Borg ships, because all it takes to destroy one is a dozen properly aimed torpedoes and an overly elaborate time-travel adventure. By the time we get to Voyager, they're down to two phaser rifles and a hand grenade (and the survivors from the FC vessel fared little better in the 22nd century, it seems).
You can keep saying it, and I'll keep debunking it, but I did just clearly illuminate not one but two separate instances where the first weapon strikes did no damage of any kind. And there's still Q-Who, where not one of four photon torpedoes fired at the cube did any damage at all.
After First Contact, yes. Prior to that--especially at Wolf-359--this was not the case. This appears not to be an actual weakness of Starfleet so much as a timely and effective fleetwide upgrade to Starfleet weapons some time in the early 2370s.
Yes, and IF you tune it to a frequency that is specifically effective against the Borg, it will do more damage than those weapons combined. If the weapons do no damage, then neither does the deflector.
Only if the weakness you're attempting to exploit doesn't actually exist. The EVIDENCE suggests Starfleet's weapons were ineffective from the get go, and the only weapon they had--one that Enterprise discovered entirely by accident--was immediately neutralized. Thus the only weakness left to exploit was the one Riker and Data used to ultimately destroy the ship: their hive mind interconnectedness. It was, finally, the only avenue that particular ship had not yet covered.You think exploiting this weakness doesn't "amount to a solid battle plan"?
The first SHOT (singular) did not. Borg defenses are evidently far stronger than any normal space vessel even against weapons they've never seen before.
It's becoming clear you haven't seen this episode in a VERY long time, being apparently unaware that the Enterprise fired her phasers exactly four times in this episode: first shot with no effect, second third and fourth each blasting craters. There are no OTHER phaser attacks in this episode, there is only a launch of two sets of two photon torpedoes against the cube. None of the torpedoes cause any actual damage to the cube.
Incorrect. The very first time they go aboard the ship, we have this:
Not ignoring at all. I again repeat that the first use of weapons against the Borg did no damage at all in their first two encounters. I even SPECIFICALLY mentioned that this had ceased to be a factor by the next major encounter--namely First Contact--by which point Borg tactics had become so laughable as to render the entire point academic: you don't need deflector blasts to defeat later Borg ships, because all it takes to destroy one is a dozen properly aimed torpedoes and an overly elaborate time-travel adventure. By the time we get to Voyager, they're down to two phaser rifles and a hand grenade (and the survivors from the FC vessel fared little better in the 22nd century, it seems).
"You are INCAPABLE of admitting you are black," said the pot to the kettle.
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The last order here is "prepare to fire." This is an order for more photon torpedoes; phasers are NOT fired again, not by implication or by direct order.
It doesn't matter what I think. They didn't fire the phasers, and the torpedoes were ineffective.
It might help matters much if you took your own advice, or at least made up your mind whether you are referring to part one or part 2.
The longer this goes on, the more it appears the only thing I am ignoring is your incredibly active imagination.
""You are INCAPABLE of admitting you are black," said the pot to the kettle."
newtype_alpha, you are the one pretending on-screen material doesn't exist and simultaneously claiming you don't ignore it
Or claiming Newton&co were wrong because it doesn't feel right to you.
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I don't think shields scale the same way as phasers, otherwise everyone would have personal shields, not just the Borg. It seems that at small scales, phasers outstrip shields. And anyway, Worf (and his phaser) and a drone are the same size. A Borg ship and a Starfleet ship aren't the same size.
I have no intention of getting mired in this debate. But I'd say that if their shields are strong enough, in a way they are invulnerable, regardless of adaptation.According to him, they're from the start invulnerable to it
I have no intention of getting mired in this debate. But I'd say that if their shields are strong enough, in a way they are invulnerable, regardless of adaptation.According to him, they're from the start invulnerable to it
The devil is in the details. Recall that Worf's first attempt to stun that drone failed, as the Borg were totally unaffected by that phaser level. Sort of a side issue that the implication in the script is that the Borg "adapted" simply by sending another drone that was, unlike the first drone, shielded.
But it WASN'T vulnerable to the first shot. It was vulnerable to the SECOND shot, and then the collective adapted.
The Enterprise' phasers were NOT fired at the end of Q Who. Here, watch it yourself. There are four photon torpedoes while the ship is at warp, but no phasers.
No it is not: the very first time Enterprise fires on the Borg cube their phasers do no damage at all.
Part right. Riker mentions to Worf that Wesley is designing a chip that would set the phaser to a random setting after each discharge, what Worf later refers to as "phaser adaptors." Their effectiveness in actual use is negligible at best.
Actually, Worf kills TWO drones, and Data kills three. This is approximately the same number each of them killed in their previous boarding action.
True here, except in the case of the Borg ship where those weapons CONTINUE to get through for the duration of the battle.
That you are convinced I have been inconsistent with the facts is no doubt the reason you have not bothered to check them yourself. It's obvious, especially from your "worf kills dozens of drones" line that you haven't seen either episode in a considerable amount of time. Maybe if you spent less time ego tripping and more time making sure you know what you're talking about, this wouldn't be such an issue.
Actually, I say they don't always need to; sometimes, they have ALREADY prepared defenses adequate to neutralize a weapon. And they sure as hell never forget how to adapt to weapons they've seen before.
I agree. I posted videos, screencaps, script references, timelines... I AM convinced the idea has support, as I have gone out of my way to find and evaluate supporting evidence. I am also convinced you're not interested in the evidence at all and are on some kind of personal crusade for some reason... what more can I say?
I was reading the post at a weird hour and read "half" as "blast" for some reason.
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What's ironic about that? I posted support for MY opinion, your only response was to resort to dismissive personal attacks. If you have a point to make on the merits of the EVIDENCE, that's one thing; pointing out that I am stubborn doesn't make the evidence go away.
You don't realise the irony of your statement, do you?
You agree that nothing will change your mind, that you'll fanatically hold on to your ideea and yet, you accuse someone else of running a "personal crusade"
