Deadliest Catch - Season 6

[gh4chiefs]

I'm thinking did they HAVE to do that switch of the two Jakes? Couldn't that have waited until they got back to dock? Good Lord that was tense although I knew in the end it was going to be okay.

I believe it was done at sea because the boats couldn't be in port at the same time, a requirement for both to have their crews in full.

The season doesn't last forever. At some point, BOTH ships will be back in port just like they were at the start of the season when the switch happened in the first place and shame on both captains for putting crewmembers at risk like that.

This was just unnecessary drama created for TV and it greatly reduces my respect for this show.

 

[Roger Wilco]

I agree, what's the big deal on staying on a different ship for a season? Both boats probably even earn roughly the same amount of money, so what? Except if was only a tv stunt in the first place. This would have been a stupid idea even in a warm sea, if only for burning fuel and wasting time unnessecarily.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Just a heads up that tonight is Captain Phil's final show, followed by a tribute show.

 

[Sakrysta]

Yeah, I'm thinking tonight might warrant a visit to my parents' house to watch live, rather than waiting for it to show up on Amazon tomorrow.

 

[auntiehill]

Wow. That was sad as hell. I got all teary eyed at the end.

I'm glad that the younger son kept his promise, though. Maybe it will spur him to change his ways for good.

 

[firehawk12]

I feel like they played up his temporary recovery way too much though. Maybe it works if you didn't know what happened, but it just seemed very heavy handed.

 

[SmoothieX]

Wow. That was sad as hell. I got all teary eyed at the end.

I had the equivalent of the conversation Josh had with Phil with my old man on Friday. That got me teary eyed. Discovery did a good job with that whole situation though. Definitely sad for all involved.

 

[Timby]

I feel like they played up his temporary recovery way too much though. Maybe it works if you didn't know what happened, but it just seemed very heavy handed.

Did you really expect anything else from Discovery? They've been basically saying "DEADLIEST CATCH - THE YEAR PHIL DIES" since commercials started in March.

 

[gh4chiefs]

I feel like they played up his temporary recovery way too much though. Maybe it works if you didn't know what happened, but it just seemed very heavy handed.

I didn't get that impression at all, what I got out of it is what the family went through. He DID improve and it looked like he was getting better, not seeing the harm in showing us what happened. It's not like we didn't know what was going to happen in the end.

Unlike the crew member swap at sea bit that I railed about earlier in this thread, I thought they actually handled it as about as well as they could. The cameraman involved with the incident stated Phil's wishes were that they tell the whole story "to the end." Jonathan backed the cameraman up on this claim.

 

[Docbrown777]

I didn't see the last episode yet but I have seen the ones where he has the stroke and the episode after it. It's painful to watch because after he had the stroke and was in the hospital he actually seemed to be doing fairly well.

 

[Timby]

I didn't see the last episode yet but I have seen the ones where he has the stroke and the episode after it. It's painful to watch because after he had the stroke and was in the hospital he actually seemed to be doing fairly well.

Spending a decade doing everything short of freebasing Red Bull and tobacco in a high-stress environment probably didn't do much for his health.

 

[firehawk12]

I feel like they played up his temporary recovery way too much though. Maybe it works if you didn't know what happened, but it just seemed very heavy handed.

I didn't get that impression at all, what I got out of it is what the family went through. He DID improve and it looked like he was getting better, not seeing the harm in showing us what happened. It's not like we didn't know what was going to happen in the end.

Unlike the crew member swap at sea bit that I railed about earlier in this thread, I thought they actually handled it as about as well as they could. The cameraman involved with the incident stated Phil's wishes were that they tell the whole story "to the end." Jonathan backed the cameraman up on this claim.

I don't mind documenting the process... but then cutting to the other captains getting the news? It just looked like a movie of the week moment that cheapened the whole thing.
The only thing that was missing was a voice over from Phil at the end explaining how he had a good life.

 

[gh4chiefs]

I didn't see the last episode yet but I have seen the ones where he has the stroke and the episode after it. It's painful to watch because after he had the stroke and was in the hospital he actually seemed to be doing fairly well.

Yeah that was thing that struck me last week, knowing what I did about his ultimate fate, his apparent condition at the time seemed decent. It seems like I've always heard that a lot of time people who are dying will sometimes show remarkable improvement before the end. That seemed to be the case here.

I feel like they played up his temporary recovery way too much though. Maybe it works if you didn't know what happened, but it just seemed very heavy handed.

I didn't get that impression at all, what I got out of it is what the family went through. He DID improve and it looked like he was getting better, not seeing the harm in showing us what happened. It's not like we didn't know what was going to happen in the end.

Unlike the crew member swap at sea bit that I railed about earlier in this thread, I thought they actually handled it as about as well as they could. The cameraman involved with the incident stated Phil's wishes were that they tell the whole story "to the end." Jonathan backed the cameraman up on this claim.

I don't mind documenting the process... but then cutting to the other captains getting the news? It just looked like a movie of the week moment that cheapened the whole thing.
The only thing that was missing was a voice over from Phil at the end explaining how he had a good life.

Well I think you're looking at this through the prism of knowing what happened. I don't have a problem with them documenting his apparent recovery and his friends, the other captains, reacting positively to THAT news. It's what happened as it happened. (Is it possible that some of the other captains hammed up for the TV cameras? I suppose that's entirely possible). But it was the sequence of events as they unfolded. He had a stroke, that news was shared with the fleet, and they reacted. He then appeared to be making a recovery, and that news was shared with the fleet, and they reacted to that news as you might expect them to. Unfortunately their joy was to be short lived.

If you were offended by this episode, then you may feel the same way about next week. From the promos, it looks like that episode will deal a lot with the reaction of the fleet to the news of his death.

Regardless of how we feel about how they did or didn't cheapen the moment, I think we can agree that it was a tough episode to watch.

RIP Phil.

 

[firehawk12]

That's the thing though - this isn't real time. This is months after the fact, with footage being carefully edited to create an entertaining product.

I don't begrudge them that, because they are trying to make money with the show and Phil is one of the "main characters". I just hoped that they'd try to make something less "produced". Certainly when they show actual dead bodies on the show - which they've done at least once or twice previously - they don't try to over sell those episodes.

It just makes it look over dramatic, especially in light of the fact that rest of the episode focused on the more mundane aspects of the season - the Kodiak deckhand being fired, Jake being sort of "promoted", etc.

I'm not offended, but it felt like they were trying too hard to manipulate the audience when the story itself should be enough to move someone to tears.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Fair enough, to each his own. I don't have a problem with showing what they did, or the order they showed it in. What happened, happened. (Oh Lord, I'm have a LOST flashback.) I only have a problem if and when they conjure something up just for TV. (Like I have my suspicions about the crew swap at sea for example.)

I saw a few comments on another BBS about the episode where he had his stroke. One guy was having a fit about them showing a shot of a raven on the rail as they were removing Phil from the boat. (Apparently the raven on the rail is a bad omen thing). He claimed to be "greatly offended" by that shot. I'm thinking he's wound a little too tight and needs to switch to decaf.

EDIT TO ADD: Before someone else says it, in looking back at my own rant in this thread about the sea swap thing, I need to follow my own advice and "switch to decaf. Truth be told, I'm kind of embarrassed about it now.

Another guy commented on the scene with Phil and the boys looking at the pictures, claimed it was stock footage. If it was in fact stock footage that was edited in, then yeah that's pretty bad. But we don't know that, I'm in no position to accuse them of actually doing that.

Of course that's the thing about these type of shows. We're kind of at the mercy of the editors. We have no way of knowing for sure of how much is real and how much is contrived for the sake of TV. As long as they don't actually lie to me or stage something, it doesn't really bother me though.

 

[firehawk12]

Yeah, it's just that for the most part I've found the show to be pretty tastefully produced - the sinking ships from previous seasons could have been played for lots of drama, but instead it was mostly focused on Coast Guard guys doing their job. They didn't like chase down the families of the fishermen who died and interviewed them about losing their loved ones at sea or whatever.

 

[Sakrysta]

I think the difference is we didn't "know" those guys like we "knew" Phil. I don't know what they might have "manufactured" in telling the story, but I got the distinct impression of respect for Phil and a desire to present his death with both the dignity it deserved as well as the emotional impact it produced. There was no coast guard to follow here - there were just family an friends going through tragedy. I appreciated how it was handled.

 

[SVD]

...., but I find that drama more gripping than the actual crab fishing stories now.

Same here, the "They're catchin' 'em" "They aint catchin' 'em" can get monotonous. The Interpersonal drama, and the intermitant disaster at sea is, like you says, gripping.

I didn't see the last episode yet but I have seen the ones where he has the stroke and the episode after it. It's painful to watch because after he had the stroke and was in the hospital he actually seemed to be doing fairly well.

Phil's death really struck a chord here at home for me and my grandpa. My grandma's passing was eerily similar in some respects (heart attacks took her). Both she and Pill had long roads if they were going to make it, and seemed to be making progress before succumbing to complications.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Is it just me, or is Capt Bill of the Kodiak a giant penis? There's a crate swinging wildly all around his deck and he states "I wasn't worried about anybody getting banged up, I was worried about it hitting the block."

Nice concern for your crew dickhead.

 

[Bloodwhiner]

I think Capt. Bill comes across that way too but I also think he is having a very bad season and is under some tremendous pressure. I'll give him the benefit of doubt for this season.