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Deflector shield goof

That's a bit of a reach. The episode dialogue doesn't specify the weapon being used, and it looks more or less like a standard photon torpedo. The term "magnetic pulse" is part of the walla, something Spock (IIRC) utters in the background, not necessarily referring to the weapons themselves but rather to the effect their impact has on the hero ship.

It's already bad enough that TOS-R turns the attacker into a battle cruiser (when plot requires that the heroes destroy it without breaking a sweat, and thus would benefit from the use of a lesser vessel such as Bird of Prey or Raptor or somesuch). Introducing an all-new weapon type is an unnecessary complication as well. They should have done the reverse, using a familiar weapon fired by a novel ship type... Perhaps from under a cloak to boot, since the Klingons got the drop on the heroes somehow.

I'm not sure about the dramatic impact of hull vs. shield. It should suffice that the shield be visually and perhaps aurally interesting. The Gungan shield from everybody's favorite Star Wars movie made really nice sounds when hit... Combine that with cool VFX that somehow directly indicates the weakening, and you get a battle scene. But if enemy hits always create big gaping holes in the hero ship, it becomes a bit tedious: all those hits, all that damage, and still our engineer hero can patch everything together within the confines of the film budget (i.e. no spacewalks or a staff of hundreds toiling like ants)? The "drama" of holes in the hull is diluted pretty quickly.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The fact remains that JJ's right
JJ's opinion is factually right. That's putting it rather arrogantly. It's just an opinion and I disagree with it. The only fact here is that you agree with his opinion and there's nothing wrong with that.

I will say that I do agree with your point in being told constantly what percentage the shields are at does not make things more exciting, but to give that piece of crap Nemesis credit, the way they handled shields from protecting the Enterprise I thought was handled well. You could literally see the shields absorbing the hits one second, and totally hitting the defenseless hull the next. Instead of glowing shields that absorb the projectiles, we see explosions, flying debris and damage markings. That to me better conveys the notion that the ship is in trouble, compared to what we got from JJ's interpretation, and that is just my opinion.

Timo said:
That's a bit of a reach. The episode dialogue doesn't specify the weapon being used, and it looks more or less like a standard photon torpedo.
Watch this.

LINK

You can hear Kirk yell "Magnetic Pulses!" at 0:11.
 
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Deflector shields aren't going to stop such a massive object from hitting the ship. We've seen this several times in the series and the movies. Just watch the final battle scene in NEM when the Enterprise gets hit by a blown off nacelle from one of the Romulan ships. Would like to have seen a deflector effect though as the other ship scrapes the top of Enterprise's nacelle in STXI. Oops.

Even with shields up a massive chunk moving at speed can affect the ship.

Contagion from TNG. The Yamato explodes, a big chunk flies twords the Enterprise-D and Picard orders the shields raised. As I recall the D shakes from the impact which SOUNDS rather impressive.

One could speculate that Picard ordered the shields up to protect from the radiation from the asploded Yamato and that the shields did little to nothing to protect from the impact.

After re-viewing the clip on Youtube what I want to know is what did they do with the wreckage of the saucer....
 
When I saw that the first time I very briefly thought they'd somehow separated the saucer before things went critical. Not so much, but seeing the saucer float off and disintegrate was an interesting effect.
 
This all reminds of what one of the Kelvin bridge officers said. 'Are our shields even up?'

Not only were there no shield impacts, I don't recall there even being a forcefield used in the movie either.
 
Not only were there no shield impacts, I don't recall there even being a forcefield used in the movie either.

That's because they used the armor method of shields rather than the force field like shields. Instead of generating a field around the ship to protect it from being hit in the first place, they instead rely on their hull to protect them simply by having the hull become stronger. I do not see the logic in taking this route since slow pieces of debris are enough to dent the Enterprise's hull and rubbing up against a saucer section is enough to peel panels off a warp nacelle. If that's their idea of "Shields are holding!" than am I to assume the Enterprise is made out of paper? That was the kind of situation I would expect a ship to endure without shields, not with them.

As I said before, It's not like the hull makes up the entire ship. We've got the deflector dish, the shuttlebay area, the warp nacelle ramscoops, the torpedo launchers, phaser arrays, the impulse engine and the freaking windows. I remember a lot of past comments saying that the bridge was a big "Shoot here", but god, now you can see what actually goes on in there and the window literally cracks. I just don't see how making the hull stronger will protect those vulnerable areas.
 
The window cracked at the same rate as the bulkheads. That's some freaky strong space glass.

I seem to recall DS9's epic space battles took the exact same route JJ Abrams did - massive damage on every hit and not a shield bubble in sight.

So the "no visible shields" thing has been used in STVI, much of DS9 (occasionally they did have bubbles - but more often they didn't) and STXI. Thus it's safe to say those in charge have always gone for whatever looks best, and screw continuity.
 
The fact remains that JJ's right
JJ's opinion is factually right. That's putting it rather arrogantly. It's just an opinion and I disagree with it. The only fact here is that you agree with his opinion and there's nothing wrong with that.

I will say that I do agree with your point in being told constantly what percentage the shields are at does not make things more exciting, but to give that piece of crap Nemesis credit, the way they handled shields from protecting the Enterprise I thought was handled well. You could literally see the shields absorbing the hits one second, and totally hitting the defenseless hull the next. Instead of glowing shields that absorb the projectiles, we see explosions, flying debris and damage markings. That to me better conveys the notion that the ship is in trouble, compared to what we got from JJ's interpretation, and that is just my opinion.

Timo said:
That's a bit of a reach. The episode dialogue doesn't specify the weapon being used, and it looks more or less like a standard photon torpedo.
Watch this.

LINK

You can hear Kirk yell "Magnetic Pulses!" at 0:11.

I listened to it with headphones on, and it sounds more like kinetic pulses, but it's kinda hard to make out if it's magnetic or kinetic with the sound effects and the music...lol.
 
So the "no visible shields" thing has been used in STVI

What about when the Excelsior was hit? You can clearly see a blue energy dispersal pattern dissipate after the torpedo struck the ship, and it left no battle markings.
 
^You mean the shield effects were inconsistant within a single movie? ;)

There was also no shield effect when Excelsior was hit by the shockwave at the start - and Sulu even yells "Shields! SHIELDS!!" :lol:
 
TUC was great with the depiction of the shields. As long as the shields were up, the torpedoes exploded outside and only managed to scratch the hull (or even didn't scratch it, like when the Excelsior was hit). And you could see the shields sparkling where it got hit. Once the shields were down, a torpedo managed to actually crash through the hull and explode inside the ship.

Shield effects in Nemesis were also well done. And in Generations.
 
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