TOS Revisited (for the umpteenth time)

[Willieck]

I have just begun on TOS again. Observations so far (I'm sure thry must have raised before)

Charlie X - Kirk goes into the turbolift wearing his ordinary shirt and comes out wearing a totally different one. in the next scene he is back in the original one.

Naked Time - In the well known quote where Sulu says to Uhura "I'll protect you fair maiden" and she replies "Sorry, neither" on my DVD the word "lady" has been dubbed over "maiden" which completely spoils the joke. Obviously this must have upset somebody's sensibilities. Interestingly enough on the subtitles the original "maiden" is used.

 

[Willieck]

In The Enemy Within it always strikes me as odd that when they get the transporter partially working why could they not have sent down some warmer clothing or even something to make a temporary shelter to the guys stranded on the planet.

Also, unless I missed something earlier in the episode, could they not have sent a shuttle down?

 

[TheKeeper]

In The Enemy Within it always strikes me as odd that when they get the transporter partially working why could they not have sent down some warmer clothing or even something to make a temporary shelter to the guys stranded on the planet.

Also, unless I missed something earlier in the episode, could they not have sent a shuttle down?

There was an offhand remark that they attempted to beam down heaters of some sort, but they were rendered inoperable by the contaminated transporter.

As for the shuttlecraft, well, the script was a victim of its own production order. No one thought to give the Enterprise a shuttlecraft until "The Galileo Seven" episode.

 

[sbk1234]

^^^I'm just wondering, if no shuttlecraft was ever intended until Galileo 7 episode, why did the model have what is obviously a shuttle bay as far back as The Cage?

 

[TheKeeper]

^^^I'm just wondering, if no shuttlecraft was ever intended until Galileo 7 episode, why did the model have what is obviously a shuttle bay as far back as The Cage?

Maybe bulk shipping and receiving between ships in space or dock? Anyway, it was one of Roddenberry's goals to avoid the cliche of a giant spaceship landing and taking off every week, thus the whole reason for the transporter. A shuttlecraft of some kind still makes sense, but at this stage of the show they were still making it up as they went along.

 

[Willieck]

Watched "What are Little Girls.......? again last night. What always strikes me is this. Before they beam down to the planet it is said that the temperature is minus 100 degrees (C or F ? - makes little difference - still damned cold) They beam down in their ordinary uniform (Christine with bare legs) and guess what? - not even a shiver even though they stand outside for a few minutes before going into the cave. Same with the security guards. At that temperature they would need some pretty warm clothing to survive a just few minutes I would have thought.

I love Ruk though. (6ft 9in) I thought he reminded me of Lurch but I have just discovered it is the same guy.

 

[THX1138]

Regarding the cold planet, I remember in one episode ("Spock's Brain", perhaps?) when they beam down to a cold planet and Kirk says "suits to 72 degrees" or some such thing --implying that their uniforms have built-in temperature control of some sort, which I thought was interesting.

 

[Nerys Myk]

^^^I'm just wondering, if no shuttlecraft was ever intended until Galileo 7 episode, why did the model have what is obviously a shuttle bay as far back as The Cage?

Maybe bulk shipping and receiving between ships in space or dock? Anyway, it was one of Roddenberry's goals to avoid the cliche of a giant spaceship landing and taking off every week, thus the whole reason for the transporter. A shuttlecraft of some kind still makes sense, but at this stage of the show they were still making it up as they went along.

I thought that had to do with the expense of landing the ship each week.

 

[TheKeeper]

I thought that had to do with the expense of landing the ship each week.

No doubt that was an important production issue, but it was also mentioned as a logic problem. Why subject a ship to all the stress of atmospheric entry and a controlled landing, only to have to use so much power to blast the whole thing into orbit again?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I thought that had to do with the expense of landing the ship each week.

No doubt that was an important production issue, but it was also mentioned as a logic problem. Why subject a ship to all the stress of atmospheric entry and a controlled landing, only to have to use so much power to blast the whole thing into orbit again?

Not sure they were thinking along those lines. its not a real ship. And I cant say I've read any behind the scenes stories or books to indicate this.

 

[skylark14]

Regarding What are Little Girls Made of? and the bare-legged nurse, I always wondered about the cold too, but on recently viewing on blu-ray, I thought there appeared to be some sort of transparent barrier or force field at the mouth of the cave that I had never noticed before, so maybe they were beaming into climate-controlled area.

 

[Willieck]

Just watched The Menagerie (both parts). I think that this was the one which really caught my imagination way back in the sixties. What struck me again was the standard of acting in the extracts from The Cage. The one exception was surprisingly Leonard Nimoy who was wooden and truly awful. Does anyone know why he was limping very noticeably when they first landed on the planet? Also a grinning Spock just didn't seem right. Thank goodness he quickly improved as he got into the part. The doctor was a good character.

One thing that always puzzled me about the plot was the reason given for Vina being so malformed. She says that the aliens (I can't remember their name) had never seen a human being and had nothing to go on when putting her back together again. However they themselves were fully humanoid albeit with strange heads so I think that they could have used their own bodies as a template and made a better job than they did.

Still, a good episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The limp was to imply an injury that happened on their previous mission.(when Pike's Yeoman was killed) I think other characters had on bandages as well.

 

[THX1138]

Spock was injured in a fouled-up mission on Rigel VII.

Yeah, they really did a lousy job on poor Vina --but "everything works"!

 

[Willieck]

The limp was to imply an injury that happened on their previous mission.(when Pike's Yeoman was killed) I think other characters had on bandages as well.

Thanks. Didn't notice that.

 

[Forbin]

Watched "What are Little Girls.......? again last night. What always strikes me is this. Before they beam down to the planet it is said that the temperature is minus 100 degrees (C or F ? - makes little difference - still damned cold) They beam down in their ordinary uniform (Christine with bare legs) and guess what? - not even a shiver even though they stand outside for a few minutes before going into the cave. Same with the security guards. At that temperature they would need some pretty warm clothing to survive a just few minutes I would have thought.

I love Ruk though. (6ft 9in) I thought he reminded me of Lurch but I have just discovered it is the same guy.

They were never outside. They materialized in the mouth of the cave, inside a clear plexi wall.

 

[Forbin]

^^^I'm just wondering, if no shuttlecraft was ever intended until Galileo 7 episode, why did the model have what is obviously a shuttle bay as far back as The Cage?

Nobody said it wasn't intended. It just hadn't been built yet when they shot that episode.

 

[Willieck]

^^^I'm just wondering, if no shuttlecraft was ever intended until Galileo 7 episode, why did the model have what is obviously a shuttle bay as far back as The Cage?

Nobody said it wasn't intended. It just hadn't been built yet when they shot that episode.

But had they actually been back to Earth to pick up a shuttle during their five year mission before the first shuttle made its appearance?

 

[Willieck]

Watched "What are Little Girls.......? again last night. What always strikes me is this. Before they beam down to the planet it is said that the temperature is minus 100 degrees (C or F ? - makes little difference - still damned cold) They beam down in their ordinary uniform (Christine with bare legs) and guess what? - not even a shiver even though they stand outside for a few minutes before going into the cave. Same with the security guards. At that temperature they would need some pretty warm clothing to survive a just few minutes I would have thought.

I love Ruk though. (6ft 9in) I thought he reminded me of Lurch but I have just discovered it is the same guy.

They were never outside. They materialized in the mouth of the cave, inside a clear plexi wall.

How do we know?

 

[Nerys Myk]

^^^I'm just wondering, if no shuttlecraft was ever intended until Galileo 7 episode, why did the model have what is obviously a shuttle bay as far back as The Cage?

Nobody said it wasn't intended. It just hadn't been built yet when they shot that episode.

But had they actually been back to Earth to pick up a shuttle during their five year mission before the first shuttle made its appearance?

We just have to assume they've always been on board and weren't used for some reason.