Oh. Oh, no. Jeph Loeb is now in charge of Marvel TV / Animation.

[Dusty Ayres]

According to whiny guys like you, yes; to me, his writing on Supergirl was the best in years. I felt that Supergirl was a real teenage girl, not just a goody too-shoes clone of her cousin who eats all of her vegetables, bathes every morning, and always puts on clean underwear every day before she goes out (that's great for the young kids who are the target audience of Supergirl: Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade, but for slightly older readers, not so much).

Maybe you all just need to stick to old comics and leave new ones alone.

 

[ManOnTheWave]

And the title of this thread should have been "Jeph Loeb destroys the Marvel Universe."

Let's be fair. Loeb stabbed the Ultimate Universe in the taint, but let's see what he turns out before declaring it a destruction of the Marvel Universe.

Spoiler: Loeb

He's going to destroy the Marvel Universe.

 

[scnj]

Loeb has written some fantastic comics over the years, though. [...] Loeb can write comics and write them well. I'm not familiar with his more recent work, but he does have a track record of success.

Whereas I'm only familiar with his more recent work, having never read any of those older titles. From what I have seen, Loeb's writing ranges from "shoddy Saturday morning cartoon" (Hulk) to "unspeakable abomination" (Ultimatum). If this man was ever a good writer, he has long since been utterly depleted.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

To be fair though, he did lose a son to cancer.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Loeb has written some fantastic comics over the years, though. [...] Loeb can write comics and write them well. I'm not familiar with his more recent work, but he does have a track record of success.

Whereas I'm only familiar with his more recent work, having never read any of those older titles. From what I have seen, Loeb's writing ranges from "shoddy Saturday morning cartoon" (Hulk) to "unspeakable abomination" (Ultimatum). If this man was ever a good writer, he has long since been utterly depleted.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Pretty much. His decline really started with Superman/Batman, and when his son died midway through that series he pretty much completely lost it (understandably, perhaps, but that doesn't make the comics he's writing any better).

 

[Dusty Ayres]

Loeb has written some fantastic comics over the years, though. [...] Loeb can write comics and write them well. I'm not familiar with his more recent work, but he does have a track record of success.

Whereas I'm only familiar with his more recent work, having never read any of those older titles. From what I have seen, Loeb's writing ranges from "shoddy Saturday morning cartoon" (Hulk) to "unspeakable abomination" (Ultimatum). If this man was ever a good writer, he has long since been utterly depleted.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Pretty much. His decline really started with Superman/Batman, and when his son died midway through that series he pretty much completely lost it (understandably, perhaps, but that doesn't make the comics he's writing any better).

Why the frack are you bringing Sam Loeb into this?

 

[Trent Roman]

To be fair though, he did lose a son to cancer.

That's very sad, but I'm not sure how it's relevant. Whether he lost his supposed creative verve as a result of a personal tragedy or mere stagnation doesn't change the fact that his writing simply simply isn't up to snuff anymore.

...not that there isn't tons of snuff in Ultimatum. What an odd expression, come to think of it.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[MachinderZX1]

According to whiny guys like you, yes; to me, his writing on Supergirl was the best in years. I felt that Supergirl was a real teenage girl, not just a goody too-shoes clone of her cousin who eats all of her vegetables, bathes every morning, and always puts on clean underwear every day before she goes out (that's great for the young kids who are the target audience of Supergirl: Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade, but for slightly older readers, not so much).

Maybe you all just need to stick to old comics and leave new ones alone.

That doesn't sound like Supergirl from Cosmic Adventures at all.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Whereas I'm only familiar with his more recent work, having never read any of those older titles. From what I have seen, Loeb's writing ranges from "shoddy Saturday morning cartoon" (Hulk) to "unspeakable abomination" (Ultimatum). If this man was ever a good writer, he has long since been utterly depleted.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Pretty much. His decline really started with Superman/Batman, and when his son died midway through that series he pretty much completely lost it (understandably, perhaps, but that doesn't make the comics he's writing any better).

Why the frack are you bringing Sam Loeb into this?

People angry at Loeb tend to drudge up that personal tragedy and try to psychoanalyze all his current output from that perspective. Such an example would be the ultimates story when Magneto lost his son.

 

[MNM]

Countdown to the animated adaptation of Ultimates 3 in 5, 4, 3 ...

Ultimates 3 was great, much more enjoyable for me than either of Millar's Ultimates, so an animated version would rock.

Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men is widely regarded as one of the best runs on any comic book in years.

Who by? Whedon's first six issues were good enough, after that it became so very, very average, and took much too long to come out.

 

[Timby]

Countdown to the animated adaptation of Ultimates 3 in 5, 4, 3 ...

Ultimates 3 was great

What?

 

[Dusty Ayres]

According to whiny guys like you, yes; to me, his writing on Supergirl was the best in years. I felt that Supergirl was a real teenage girl, not just a goody too-shoes clone of her cousin who eats all of her vegetables, bathes every morning, and always puts on clean underwear every day before she goes out (that's great for the young kids who are the target audience of Supergirl: Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade, but for slightly older readers, not so much).

Maybe you all just need to stick to old comics and leave new ones alone.

That doesn't sound like Supergirl from Cosmic Adventures at all.

I NEVER said that it was-I just said that the kind of character in that book was only okay for younger kids.

 

[MachinderZX1]

I NEVER said that it was-I just said that the kind of character in that book was only okay for younger kids.

How is the character "only" okay for younger kids? As for "real teens", that version Supergirl seemed alot closer to real teenage behavior than the Loeb stuff.

 

[Thestral]

According to whiny guys like you, yes; to me, his writing on Supergirl was the best in years. I felt that Supergirl was a real teenage girl, not just a goody too-shoes clone of her cousin who eats all of her vegetables, bathes every morning, and always puts on clean underwear every day before she goes out (that's great for the young kids who are the target audience of Supergirl: Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade, but for slightly older readers, not so much).

Maybe you all just need to stick to old comics and leave new ones alone.

... What an odd thing to point to and say "not a real teenage girl."

 

[Hermiod]

Countdown to the animated adaptation of Ultimates 3 in 5, 4, 3 ...

Ultimates 3 was great, much more enjoyable for me than either of Millar's Ultimates, so an animated version would rock.

I even had to start a thread to get somebody to explain it all to me while I was reading it - and nobody could!

Never mind the part where Loeb just 'forgot' that Pyro's a good guy in the Ultimate universe and turned him in to a wannabe rapist.

 

[Agenda]

I liked the concept behind Ultimates 1 and 2. Never read 3. But something about Mark Millar's dialogue really turns me off. Almost all of his characters sound like smarmy smartasses.

 

[the Dagman]

So, I guess Loeb has stopped trading on the "successes" of his earlier movie works: Teen Wolf and Commando.