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World Cup 2010 - South Africa Thread

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It seems to me that England is in a similar situation as Germany was in around 98 to 2000 (got kicked out in the eighth final in 98 and didn't make it to the second round in the EURO). Older, dispassionate players, technical difficulties and hardly any creativity in the game.
It seems to me that the thing to do is playing fast, with short passes near the goal. A lot of the teams in the last 16 play that way.
So, yeah, young players would be the way to go, building up a team that works. It's doable in 4 years, although it might take longer than that. But there is a whole team of young players that just got into the final of the U 21 World Cup. A number of their opponents in that final played yesterday. So, they should be able to do relatively well, too.
 
Starkers said:
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As for the England team we were hopeless, send lampard off i dont ever want to see the man in an England Shirt again, carrigher, heskey, can all just go as well we need to re group and build a youthful hungry side with the likes of Joe Hart and jack Rodwell,
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I wouldn't go quite that far re Lampard. Nobody did great but he did score a legitimate goal and looked dangerous from set pieces, so close with that one that rattle the bar. Personally I thought he looked more use than Gerrard (but he was out of position).

All that needs to happen is that Gerrard/Lampard is either or...actually not even that. If neither are in form neither should play. Same with Rooney same with any of them.
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The thing with lampard even with the disputed goal, Lampard has taken 40 shots on goal in 2 world cups and hasn't scored / scored once, thats a horrible ratio to have for a player to have seeing as he is built up to be a free goal scoring midfielder. Yes he can look good from freekicks but the vast majority of his free kicks for the england match were just driven into the wall rather than anything else. he is 32 now he should just retire from international football, do we really want a 34 year old frank lamapard in central midfield at euro 2012 ?

I do worry that we simply do not have the strikers coming through, apart from Bent and Zamora where were the other English Strikers pushing for a place ? and to be honest were are the new wave of English strikers coming through to push for a place in 2 or 4 years time ? compare our strikers to argentina we have rooney heskey defoe and Crouch, were as Argentina have the likes of Higuain, Tevez, Argurio, Milito, Messi aswell as Palermo i dont know if argentina would swap any of there strikers for ours.
 
We need to adpot the Dutch style at grassroots NO matches until your 13 and even then on 2/3 size pitches until your 16 and then move to larger pitches. Technique, Technique, Technique = We need to scrap this idiotic attachment to strength and passion alone and work on movement, ball control, passing, and being a smarter playing and not a dumb footballer. Two examples its clear as a person Walcott is clever but as a footballer hes poor at understanding the game. David Beckham who gets stick for being not book smart clever is fucking HAWKING on a football pitch who can read a game. Too often our players mis read whats going off around them, choose the wrong passes and seem out of there depth. Playing on larger pitches at 12, 13 like I had to endure as a teenager encourages nothing but LONG BALLS meanwhile smaller pitches will force you to pass n move all the time. We simply teach the wrong stuff and we should forget about forgein managers and actually use oversea's coaches instead to teach our coaches and players to help us learn.

As for the senior squad well we need to be smarter and have the ability to change shape at will like many world teams. 4-3-3 when attacking and 4-5-1 when your getting the ball back stuff like that changing at will confusing your opposition. Rooney with the likes of Agbonlahor and Adam Johnson on the right and left cutting in and droppiong wide when needed. Gerrard leading a 3 middle pack linking up with the attack while the other two offer protection for full backs to run up and stretch oppositions. We have youngsters and who cares if there not WORLD CLASS on there own its about the team as a unit...

Joe Hart, Ben Foster, Joe Lewis, Ryan Shawcross, Gary Cahill, Phil Jones, Ciaran Clark, Chris Smalling, Phil Jagielka, Dan Gosling, Michael Dawson, Kieran Gibbs, Jack Rodwell, Mark Noble, Tom Huddlestone, Ashley Young, Jack Wilshire, Adam Johnson, Gabby Agbonlahor, Frazier Campbell

are either young or experience with little past history with England, GIVE THEM CHANCES.
 
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Completely agree, Lampard should call it a day.

I'd also have a better look at Barry. Granted he was injured just before the WC so you're not quite sure whether he was fit or not, but if he was, then his form was shockingly bad in the three games that he played.

Time to say goodbye to the 'golden generation' and move on. As I'm sure SAF can tell you, despite Mr Hansen's protestations, you CAN win stuff with kids! :lol:
 
Starkers said:
All that needs to happen is that Gerrard/Lampard is either or...
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Lampard / Gerrard hasn't worked for about 10 years or something ridiculous.

My face palms every time a new England manager comes in convinced they can make it work.
 
They all think that they know something that the previous manager didn't. Fully expect the next manager to come in and suggest perhaps playing Gerrard out wide on the left might be an option to accomodate both him and Lampard.....
 
The Netherlands are clearly the stronger team than Slovakia, but if they keep playing so carelessly and lazily stop trying to score more or less in the next round they won't beat Brazil (or Chile)...
 
Angel4576 said:
They all think that they know something that the previous manager didn't. Fully expect the next manager to come in and suggest perhaps playing Gerrard out wide on the left might be an option to accomodate both him and Lampard.....
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Gosh, has no one tried that already!?
 
What infuriates me is one german ex-football player from the 60s who's now commenting big games on a TV channel who had the audacity that wrong decisions and close situations where refs make wrong calls is supposed to belong to football and taking that away by technology or addtional measures would take away from the sport and what it is.

Well fuck that!

Technology today is at a point where it can be unobtrusive, quick and won't slow down the game. I remember that some years ago they were experimenting with sensors inside the ball to determine its exact position. This is what should be developed and implemented.

Video proof, while absolute given the amount of camers and available angles, would really grind the game to a halt but tech up the playing field and have a special ref monitor said tech and communicate with the main ref and you'd barely slow down the game.

I'd rather give England that goal than to endure such shitty refs in the future.
 
As I said in another thread a while ago, implementing video review for things like offside or fouls is very difficult to do right, but a simple sensor to determine whether the ball was fully behind the line? That should be easy and won't take anything away from the game at all.
 
I think there could just be an additional assistant to the ref who monitors the game (and basically sees the same slow-mos the tv audience does) and is in radio contact with the main ref. There's usually a break in the game after goals/non-goals and inportant decisions, anyway. Of course, that official shouldn't comment every little decision of the ref but stuff like the Lampard non-goal, Argentina's offside goal or the hand goal of Brazil in the first round should be uncovered that way. Also, the ref could ask that assistant in instances where he's unsure.
 
What about adding a second referee to the field? Hockey did that a number of years ago in acceptance that the game was too fast for one man to properly monitor and control.

As big as the field is and as quickly as the ball can move, there's no way that a single referee, no matter how fit he is, can get himself into a position to have any kind of angle on a play to be able to make a good call if need be.
 
Well, there already are two assistants on the sidelines, and in the case of Lampard's unacknowledged goal and the offside goal yesterday, a huge chunk of the blame lies on them. The assistant on the sideline should have seen the true situation in both cases.
 
I'm pretty sure Brazil will win this, even though Kaka is doing his best to sabotage his team's efforts...
 
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