5x013 The Big Bang (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!
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Actually we are pulling it from the onscreen evidence and internal logic given from years of Dr Who. Your "plausible explanations" are what *you* are pulling from your nether regions.
The only stomping feet I hear are your own.
Well, we don't know how much River remembered. Her journal was blank, after all. She might've just had a weird feeling to give this strange blue book to the girl getting married on a certain day.
But the real difference, I think, is Amy's proximity to the crack. By living next to one for fourteen years, she developed a special relationship that let her head be used as a pathway in and out of it. That's how the Nestenes could pull Rory through, by way of her, and why she had to be the one to remember the Doctor. I doubt her crack-induced powers over reality will ever come up again, if only because, after Big Bang 2 and her revival of the Doctor, there's nothing left to bring back through the crack anymore.
I just remembered something I was wondering; how did River's vortex manipulator end up sitting next to the Pandorica? Was that ever addressed, or should I just assume there was a deleted scene (or, perhaps, one was eaten by a crack) and that's just one of those things left behind that don't make sense.
Seriously though. No offense to you Plan 9 but your single minded obsession with this is just a bit odd. If there was just a tiny shred of evidence for your theory then I would be on board. Even as *far* back as the Time Crash special even both Doctors realized that it was predestination and the only reason he knew how to stop Belgium was because he had seen himself do it before. "Wibbly Wobbley, Timey Wimey"!!!
No matter what anyone here says you are not going to deflected off of your jihad. So just be content and smug in your superior "open mindedness" and know that we are all ignorant.
Lets all get back to the real issue. How hot is Amy in that wedding dress? Yowza!!!
No matter what anyone here says you are not going to deflected off of your jihad. So just be content and smug in your superior "open mindedness" and know that we are all ignorant.
Lets all get back to the real issue. How hot is Amy in that wedding dress? Yowza!!!
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I think that sums up my view aas well. I'm going to give it another watch tonight because I don't know as I really took it all in the first time around, I mean I figured out everything that was happening, but it felt like I was always a little on the back foot because it wasn't going where I expected it to go.
Which lets face it is technically brilliant! Hopefully I won't hate it second time through
VERY!
I am slightly worried that Moffat is reading my mind though...Scottish long legged red head in short skirts and boots...well except when she's dressed as a police woman, or a bride!
Seriously if she shows up dressed as a secretary come Christmas...well it'll be a very good christmas for starters
I rewatched both episodes yesterday afternoon, and there is a shot where the Doctor is lying on the ground next to the Pandorica and the vortex manipulator is obviously on the ground next to him. I'd guess that River left her stuff there when she went to get the TARDIS, probably not thinking that she'd have any need to carry it along when she's going to have access to the TARDIS...I can't remember if there was a scene when they first entered the underhenge of River putting stuff down or anything like that...
Above average. Very entertaining episode. Had loads of fun watching it. Couldn't quite give it the top grade. Too many paradoxes and I didn't like the whole idea of remembering the Doctor back into existence. But, wow, so much of it was so very good!! Great ideas about the shrinking universe.
So, we don't really know why TARDIS exploded? Kept expecting the rewind to include past Doctors. Though, I suppose they never ran into the crack.
Mr Awe
So, we don't really know why TARDIS exploded? Kept expecting the rewind to include past Doctors. Though, I suppose they never ran into the crack.
Mr Awe
VERY!
I am slightly worried that Moffat is reading my mind though...Scottish long legged red head in short skirts and boots...well except when she's dressed as a police woman, or a bride!
Seriously if she shows up dressed as a secretary come Christmas...well it'll be a very good christmas for starters
Given her previous profession I'm sure she has been a secretary before.
And a hot nurse....and a hot schoolteacher...
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The paradoxes were quite in tune with other Dr Who paradoxes. These were just handled at a pace that was both amusing and to advance the plot.
The entire season has been specifically geared towards how special Amy is and how memories are the one thing that the universe cannot erase entirely. All of those plot threads woven through the season leading to Amy remembering the Doctor back to existence was quite satisfying for me. It was much better then a Cell Phone network turning the Doctor from Yoda into a God.
S3's is the only finale I haven't rewatched. It was, for me, too horrible to bear a second time.
S3's is the only finale I haven't rewatched. It was, for me, too horrible to bear a second time.
Time heals all wounds, I rewatched it a month or two back and actually it wasn't quite as awful as I remembered. There is some good stuff in there, it's just all obscured by some really, really crappy bits! It's still bad, still the worst new series finale, it's justy not quite the train wreck I took it to be at the time.
Because both the Doctor and River said the rebooted universe would be a universe in which the Doctor never existed.
Yes, he entered the new universe. But his past didn't happen to the new universe, because he didn't exist, until Amy brought him across, until that moment. "The End is the Beginning" the first trailers said, and that's literally what we have -- at the end of the series is the beginning of the Doctor's new life. Smith is the eleventh Doctor -- and the first.
Nah, this universe has the Doctor in it throughout its history. That's why the diary is filled up with writing again. It signifies that all of those events happened. The Doctor also realizes that what was after him is still out there and still after him! And, he's not the first. He was simply brought back as he was before. No upgrades.
Mr Awe
About the paradoxes, that may very well be true. But, for me, it was more dissatisfying this time around. I think it's the context. After the huge buildup of an elaborate trap, drragging the Doctor into the Pandorica, it was a let down for how easy it was for him to get out. I still greatly enjoyed the episode. It was a fun ride for sure.
And, yes, I get the whole bit about memories being set up during this season. That doesn't mean I have to buy into it or like it. YMMV.
Mr Awe
That may or may not be true. Loops can certainly be created. Take a straight piece of string and you can certainly put a loop in it.
Regardless, it's fair game to discuss how these paradoxes affect your enjoyment of the story. I still greatly enjoyed the story, but it did take some of the drama out of it.
So, your last word on it certainly isn't the final word.
Mr Awe
Regardless, it's fair game to discuss how these paradoxes affect your enjoyment of the story. I still greatly enjoyed the story, but it did take some of the drama out of it.
So, your last word on it certainly isn't the final word.
Mr Awe
What about Rubber bands?