5x013 The Big Bang (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!
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Because both the Doctor and River said the rebooted universe would be a universe in which the Doctor never existed.
Yes, he entered the new universe. But his past didn't happen to the new universe, because he didn't exist, until Amy brought him across, until that moment. "The End is the Beginning" the first trailers said, and that's literally what we have -- at the end of the series is the beginning of the Doctor's new life. Smith is the eleventh Doctor -- and the first.
I believe you're quite mistaken.
While the Doctor was on the other side of the crack, he "never existed". Once Amy "remembered" him back through the crack, he had "always been there" again.
In short, nothing whatsoever is different, except that the cracks are gone. Anything that was ever "undone" by the cracks is now "re-done".
Why go back that far?
"Go to your room!"
"And for my next trick..."
The TARDIS battery/Cyber grenade
Escaping the end of the Universe
Breaking Wilf out of the car with a hammer
The Doctor regenerating into his hand
The Doctor easily escaping a planetful of Master clones tied to a chair
Heck, the cliffhanger end of "Time of Angels" was resolved within that episode.
Unless they were going to have the finale be the Doctor-lite episode, he was going to escape pretty quickly.
If a breeze starts up and champagne glasses start shaking call us.
Awesome finale. I admit a small part of me was disappointed not to see more of the Alliance (or possibly a few Classic villain cameos), and yeah it DID feel like the Doctor escaped the Pandorica a little too easily, but those were just minor issues.
Thankfully the story we got was so fun and wacky and full of mind-bending twists that it was easy just to get swept along with it.
Thankfully the story we got was so fun and wacky and full of mind-bending twists that it was easy just to get swept along with it.
I suspect not quite everything this season happened- the people erased by the crack now weren't. Which includes the senior Ponds, Rory (and by extension his death), and (less fortunately) the army of Angels.
Everything else happened, through.
It's not like it's the first time the series has riffed on B&T anyway - it happens loads of times through the 7th Doctor's NA era...
Anyway I'm just disappointed we're stuck with wet-fish human Rory again instead of damaged more 3-dimensional Auton Rory...
Yeah it would have been nice to continue Auton Rory's story, but we saw that human Rory seemingly remembers being plastic, and so it's possible he remembers a lot of what he went through.
I'd be surprised if that didn't carry over somewhat into his character next year.
(Of course I thought the "wet fish" Rory was plenty fun to have around too, so honestly I'll be happy either way)
Did Wesley Crusher teach you nothing? Thought shapes reality.
So its Moffat fault you don't understand but most people on here seem able too. It was so well written its beyond words
My Guess:
The absense of the whole of existence, which happenend after the Doctor got sealed into the Pqandorica.
I didn't really care for how the Doctor got out of the Pandorica, I don't see how his future self could have gotten released in order to go back and release his past self. I suppose maybe that's why it's called a paradox (pair of Docs?).
Anyway, I tried to come up with a way to get the Doctor out of the Pandorica with a minimum of cheats. I don't usually do this sort of thing so maybe my solution is really wonky or groaningly bad but let me know what you think.
Here goes:
We see newscasts of how something is happening with the Sun and we see huge pulses eminating from it. We then see the Earth being buffeted ferociously by these pulses causing massive destruction. Next comes a massive explosion followed by a Praxis ring or whatever. Then we see *THE* crack has appeared in the Pandorica itself which allows the Doctor's arm to reach through and grab the vortex manipulator from the bag in the same position as shown in the actual episode. The Doctor's arm reappears through the crack holding the sonic, the psychic paper and the vortex manipulator. The items disappear as the Praxis ring rips through the Earth destroying it. The items appear back in the past and Rory picks up the sonic and reads the single word from the paper: "Pandorica". Episode proceeds as seen.
Anyway, I tried to come up with a way to get the Doctor out of the Pandorica with a minimum of cheats. I don't usually do this sort of thing so maybe my solution is really wonky or groaningly bad but let me know what you think.
Here goes:
We see newscasts of how something is happening with the Sun and we see huge pulses eminating from it. We then see the Earth being buffeted ferociously by these pulses causing massive destruction. Next comes a massive explosion followed by a Praxis ring or whatever. Then we see *THE* crack has appeared in the Pandorica itself which allows the Doctor's arm to reach through and grab the vortex manipulator from the bag in the same position as shown in the actual episode. The Doctor's arm reappears through the crack holding the sonic, the psychic paper and the vortex manipulator. The items disappear as the Praxis ring rips through the Earth destroying it. The items appear back in the past and Rory picks up the sonic and reads the single word from the paper: "Pandorica". Episode proceeds as seen.
Only one Thing bothers me? Why was the Pandorica crack proof? it was built by the alliance which got erased.... why did it still exist?
I could see a couple of arguments:
1) With all the timelocks, deadlocks, stasis and containment fields and whatever its more resistant.
2) It's dead center in the "eye of the storm" so it just might be one of the last things to blink out and events haven't caught up to it yet.
His future self got out because when he was in the Pandorica and thus the present self, his future self got him out. There is no "first time" in a paradox like this which is what makes it a paradox.
Really this is the exact same paradox as in Blink. The Doctor was only able to set everything up because a future version of Sally told him what to do. Everyone was fine with it then so I don't see why people have issues with it now?
People had to high an expectation for the Pandorica and thought they would see some mind bending trick that would get the Doctor out. (BTW the first act of the paradox is the existence of the time machine aka the vortex manipulator). The Doctor got out in 5 minutes and they feel emotionally robbed.
It's not that I feel emotionally robbed, but it is a bit unsatisfying to have your protagonist get his answers from the future; the solution is just handed to him. The Doctor isn't the protagonist of "Blink," which is why it works there, I think.
No, there's always a "first time." Paradoxes are created, they don't exist of their own free will. In all likelihood, the loop started with the Doctor escaping some other way (possibly less desirable, and likely with someone dying hence his desire to cheat), then using the Vortex Manipulator to, well, cheat by creating the paradox loop. By doing so, the original means of escape was no longer necessary and thus never occured; the loop had taken over. Which is why it's a paradox.
This is the way pretty much all of them work. Some stories, at least, have the courtesy of showing us the loop being created. Such as in Back to the Future. Others just skip it entirely, like in Terminator.