Destiny Trilogy.

[ConRefit79]

Well, I got half way through Lost Souls and had to put it down for several months. I picked it up Wednesday and finished it last night. Wow. I really like how this story and the Borg in particular were handled. The dinner between the three Captains, Crusher and Troi at the end, was very funny.

I would like to thank David Mack again for a well crafted story. It wraps up many loose ends. I was getting tired of the way writers kept having to concoct more elaborate ways to defeat them.

I do wish Paramount would consider using this Story as a good send off for the the 4 series. I know they won't but one can always hope for it. Family Guy and Futurama were resurrected, so stranger things have happened.

I do have some questions that may have been answered during the story and I've simply forgot. Most of them are technical.

1. The Borg assimilated Quantum Slipstream technology. Why did they not use it to reach the Alpha Quadrant instead of looking for something like the subspace tunnels? I'm guess their ships are to massive, but that is just an assumption.

2. Why did the Federation not use the armor they received when they got Transphasic torpedoes? Sure the Borg had found a way through, but it still took time for them to break through.

3. Did the Borg in other parts of the Galaxy join the others or did they have the same transformation as 7?

4. Have any Post Destiny stories expanded on the early Borg?

5. Mr. Mack, did you consider having Q show up. It would have been funny if he did when Picard and Co learned of the true origin of the Borg. He could have teased them a little. Then act all smug at the end. I do like how you mentioned him though.

 

[ares93]

Well, I got half way through Lost Souls and had to put it down for several months. I picked it up Wednesday and finished it last night. Wow. I really like how this story and the Borg in particular were handled. The dinner between the three Captains, Crusher and Troi at the end, was very funny.

I do wish Paramount would consider using this Story as a good send off the the 4 series. I know they won't but one can always hope for it.

I do have some questions that may have been answered during the story and I've simply forgot. Most of them are technical.

1. The Borg assimilated Quantum Slipstream technology. Why did they not use it to reach the Alpha Quadrant instead of looking for something like the subspace tunnels? I'm guess their ships are to massive, but that is just an assumption.

2. Why did the Federation not use the armor they received when they got Transphasic torpedoes? Sure the Borg had found a way through, but it still took time for them to break through.

3. Did the Borg in other parts of the Galaxy join the others or did they have the same transformation as 7?

4. Have any Post Destiny stories expanded on the early Borg?

1. Yes, the borg cubes are too big. They would essentially be torn apart.

2. The borg adapted to it sometime after voy: endgame

3. Every borg in contact with the collective would have been transformed and "assimilated" into the celiar gestalt.

4. No, not that i know of. the latest Voy books are about a mission back to the delta quadrant to see if the borg are really gone.

Oh, and the destiny trilogy is among my five favorite books.
And you can forget a aventine series. Nicole deBoer has already stated that she's not interested. God knows why though. She would make an excellent captain.

 

[ConRefit79]

And you can forget a aventine series. Nicole deBoer has already stated that she's not interested. God knows why though. She would make an excellent captain.

After the Janeway and Ezri bashing I've seen, can't say I blame her.

 

[ares93]

And you can forget a aventine series. Nicole deBoer has already stated that she's not interested. God knows why though. She would make an excellent captain.

After the Janeway and Ezri bashing I've seen, can't say I blame her.

well, neither can i. but i still think she'd make a splendid captain. whatever NdB says or thinks. especially after the ds9 relaunch stories (switching to command, mission gamma XO, and so on.)

 

[Christopher]

1. The Borg assimilated Quantum Slipstream technology. Why did they not use it to reach the Alpha Quadrant instead of looking for something like the subspace tunnels? I'm guess their ships are to massive, but that is just an assumption.

This was addressed in my novel Greater Than the Sum, which leads into Destiny. The QS technology the Borg possessed wasn't advanced enough to handle ships the size of Borg cubes, and that's a matter of physical volume, not just mass.

2. Why did the Federation not use the armor they received when they got Transphasic torpedoes? Sure the Borg had found a way through, but it still took time for them to break through.

The Borg adapted to the ablative armor during the battle shown onscreen in "Endgame." It was already useless as a defense before the episode even ended.

Besides, it's just a damn stupid idea, no matter how "cool" it looks. It would make the ship sluggish, draw too much power to replenish it, limit sensor clarity, cause overheating if used too long, etc., etc., etc. It's such a boondoggle that I figure the reason the Borg never encountered it before is because nobody would ever bother to use such a ludicrous technology. Its only value as a defense was in its novelty.

3. Did the Borg in other parts of the Galaxy join the others or did they have the same transformation as 7?

All active Borg drones were brought into the Caeliar gestalt. As for liberated drones such as Seven, their fate is unclear.

4. Have any Post Destiny stories expanded on the early Borg?

Nothing has been done with the Borg in the main novel continuity since Destiny. Since Destiny was intended to be the big finish to the whole story of the Borg, it would kind of weaken that to go right back to the well the following year.

 

[ares93]

^^ there you go. you cant make it clearer than Christopher did.

 

[ConRefit79]

Thanks Christopher. I read Greater than the Sum but didn't recall it mentioning Slip Stream tech. Its starting to come back to me now.

As for more Borg, I guess I was looking for maybe Voyager or another ship in the Delta Quadrant learning more about their history post Destiny or a short story. I'm still curious about early history of the Borg.

 

[Cybersnark]

It's such a boondoggle that I figure the reason the Borg never encountered it before is because nobody would ever bother to use such a ludicrous technology.

Of course, you know what they say about sentences that begin with "no one would be so stupid as to. . ."

 

[TerraUnam]

Ok, so what about the Voyager chase after the Caeliar, or does that rate as its own story?

IMO in Lost Souls the ending was quick for the Caeliar. Hernandez went back to Axion, said good-bye to Inyx, made her grand speech, and then we hear that the Caeliar have changed the entire purpose of their civilization.

I did come across this exchange in the Lost Souls thread between Strider:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2329569&postcount=105 and David Mack: http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2330660&postcount=108

At least other people have thought this way.

 

[ares93]

As for more Borg, I guess I was looking for maybe Voyager or another ship in the Delta Quadrant learning more about their history post Destiny or a short story. I'm still curious about early history of the Borg.

there is another approach in SCE: Wounds about the borg. i didnt really get that (those) books but it might be worth the read if you're interested.

 

[T'Ressa Dax]

Didn't someone say those weren't necessarily the Borg, just speculation that that might have been how they started?

 

[TerraUnam]

^^

Ares, what's to tell? After Destiny, the Borg's entire story can be summarized as "Assimilate, Assimilate, Assimilate".

 

[ares93]

Didn't someone say those weren't necessarily the Borg, just speculation that that might have been how they started?

exactly that's why i wrote:

there is another approach in SCE: Wounds about the borg.

i wasnt saying they were the borg. i was simply stating the fact that it was a new way of seeing their evolution. a rather interesting one.

^^

Ares, what's to tell? After Destiny, the Borg's entire story can be summarized as "Assimilate, Assimilate, Assimilate".

exactly the opposite my friend. there are no borg after destiny.

 

[ConRefit79]

I guess I was looking to find out more on their conflict with the creators of the Planet Killers. As well as how long after the first Borg were created before they expanded out into the Delta Quadrant. Another thing would be, is the queen we've seen based on the same queen that was created from Kiona Thayer. How advanced was the first civilization they assimilated.

 

[JD]

I thought the planet they started on was in the DQ?

 

[ConRefit79]

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I thought the planet they started on was in the DQ?

It was. But it started with one corrupted Caliar, Sedan, who assimilated two crew members from Columbia. Thayer was made the queen and Graylock a drone. They Assimilate the indigenous population, starting with the crew of a mining ship visiting the arctic region where Mantilis crashed.

 

[captcalhoun]

you mean how long til they expanded out in to space?

depends on the tech level of the indigs on the planet. if they hadn't got much beyond space shuttles and the like, it may have taken the Borg a while since they would've needed to assimilate shit loads of drones and then jump-start their warp drive tech and advance their computer and coms tech to enable FTL communication over interstellar distances to keep the Hive linked...

 

[TerraUnam]

After the events chronicled in Lost Souls alluded to above, the history of the Borg can be summarized as "Assimilate, Assimilate, Assimilate."

Sorry, techno-zombies just aren't that interesting on their own. Their victims are. Destiny told us pretty much everything we ever need to know about the Borg. The Borg are done.

Now how Caeliar society is getting along with all those ex-drones after Destiny, that's frankly a more interesting question.

 

[T'Ressa Dax]

Agreed.

 

[Kes]

i love them too . hope there more books with captain dax