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Momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

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In my opinon, the most beautiful line of literature written in the 20th centuary.

The full line?

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

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The full text?

From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here, that's home, that's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

In short, Carl Sagan was beautiful. Humanity sucks ass.


We are so small yet think ourselves so big. How we hate each other based on imaginary lines is simply beyond my comprehension. We're all spinning round the same ball together. Why do we spend so much time caring what side of a line you happened to have been born on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
 
^ Ah, but if you carry that logic through to its ultimate conclusion, then what's the point of doing anything at all? If you believe in all this "fraction of a dot" business, then nothing that ever happens on Earth could possibly make any difference to anything, and thus all life is pointless. You don't really believe that...do you?
 
^ Ah, but if you carry that logic through to its ultimate conclusion, then what's the point of doing anything at all? If you believe in all this "fraction of a dot" business, then nothing that ever happens on Earth could possibly make any difference to anything, and thus all life is pointless. You don't really believe that...do you?

If you're leaving Cincinnati, and your destination is in Topeka, why drive all the way to Los Angeles?
 
^ Ah, but if you carry that logic through to its ultimate conclusion, then what's the point of doing anything at all? If you believe in all this "fraction of a dot" business, then nothing that ever happens on Earth could possibly make any difference to anything, and thus all life is pointless. You don't really believe that...do you?

I don't "believe" anything. I know things, I THINK I know things, and I don't know things.
And yes, you are correct. Our toils mean nothing to the cosmos. The universe doesn't love us. It doesn't hate us. It's simply indifferent.
Our lives have the meaning we give them. I'm sorry if you feel your life is worth less because the universe doesn't care about you personally, but that's simply the way it is.
My existence means what I choose it to mean. I don't need a god made up by men who died 4000 years ago to give my life meaning. I choose to live my life in a manner that deliberately harms no other man because that's what I feel is right. Not to receive some reward or avoid some punishment. But because that's what I want for myself.
 
^ I'm not following. :confused:

If you reach your destination in Topeka, why would you continue to drive to Los Angeles?

You told him what would happen if he followed something to it's logical conclusion. He doesn't have to follow it to it's logical conclusion because he's not concluding anything. If anything, he is merely beginning. Logical conclusions are only necessary when something is being brought to an end.
 
I don't get where the leap from saying humanity is insignificant when viewed against the vastness of the universe to "humanity sucks ass" and "fuck the world" comes in. Our insignificance and solitary existence is all the more reason to care for humanity and for the planet.

If Carl Sagan is "beautiful," doesn't that contradict the assertion that humanity sucks ass?
 
I don't get where the leap from saying humanity is insignificant when viewed against the vastness of the universe to "humanity sucks ass" and "fuck the world" comes in. Our insignificance and solitary existence is all the more reason to care for humanity and for the planet.

If Carl Sagan is "beautiful," doesn't that contradict the assertion that humanity sucks ass?

AH! Good questions! Perhaps my lack of faith was miguided.

To address your question of contradiction, not all individual humans suck ass, but humanity as a whole (no "hole" jokes, please) sucks ass.

Perhaps I was not clear. My bad. There is no connect between our insignificance and the fact that we suck.

Where we suck is that we think we matter more to the universe than we do. WE care about us, SOME of us, and that's all well and good.

My main point is, looking down upon the Earth from a cosmic perspective, does it matter upon which side of an imaginary line you happen to have been born?
 
And here's Sagan's reading of that text:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnFMrNdj1yY&feature=related[/yt]
 
My main point is, looking down upon the Earth from a cosmic perspective, does it matter upon which side of an imaginary line you happen to have been born?

Since most people don't HAVE a cosmic perspective, then yes, it probably does.

:)

Perhaps, if I may grant myself this conceit, after this thread, one more person may have just that cosmic perspective.
 
My main point is, looking down upon the Earth from a cosmic perspective, does it matter upon which side of an imaginary line you happen to have been born?

Well, I agree with that sentiment (don't separate yourself from your fellow man because of some arbitrary difference) in spirit even if it's not really practical. If that is indeed the main thrust of your argument then your heart is in the right place, even if the dream of an undivided humanity is very distant, if not impossible.

Even if we were to abolish all borders and form a unified world government, subsets of humanity would still divide themselves along some arbitrary line or another. It would take some kind of alteration of the brain itself to prevent that divisiveness, and in the process you'd likely eliminate all traces of individuality and cultural uniqueness, which is not an appealing prospect.
 
My main point is, looking down upon the Earth from a cosmic perspective, does it matter upon which side of an imaginary line you happen to have been born?

Well, I agree with that sentiment (don't separate yourself from your fellow man because of some arbitrary difference) in spirit even if it's not really practical. If that is indeed the main thrust of your argument then your heart is in the right place, even if the dream of an undivided humanity is very distant, if not impossible.

Even if we were to abolish all borders and form a unified world government, subsets of humanity would still divide themselves along some arbitrary line or another. It would take some kind of alteration of the brain itself to prevent that divisiveness, and in the process you'd likely eliminate all traces of individuality and cultural uniqueness, which is not an appealing prospect.

I hope you're wrong. I imagine you hope you're wrong, too.

I'm nobody special. I'm just some guy having a PBR in front of his computer in Tulsa on a Monday night. I am as average as average comes. But I have, however, moved beyond nationalism. I've moved beyond skin color. I've moved beyond "my culture is right and yours is wrong".

If some PBR-drinking nobody in Oklahoma can move beyond nonsense, why can't, eventually, everyone else?
 
You have the luxury of moving beyond nationalism specifically because you live in Oklahoma, smack dab in the middle of a nation that protects your right to do so. Try doing it in the middle of say Sudan, Myanmar, or Afghanistan, and your noble ideals wouldn't be so easy to live up to.

Like I said, it's a nice idea, and one we should strive for, but it's not really practical at this time without living within a nation that will protect your right to those beliefs. It's very easy to be a pacifist in Pennsylvania or an anarchist in Alabama.
 
You have the luxury of moving beyond nationalism specifically because you live in Oklahoma, smack dab in the middle of a nation that protects your right to do so. Try doing it in the middle of say Sudan, Myanmar, or Afghanistan, and your noble ideals wouldn't be so easy to live up to.

Like I said, it's a nice idea, and one we should strive for, but it's not really practical at this time without living within a nation that will protect your right to those beliefs. It's very easy to be a pacifist in Pennsylvania or an anarchist in Alabama.

I love your subtle uses of alliteration. :D
 
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