Okay Niners, Convince Me

[Praxius]

.... Like most people around here, I love it when new fans show up and gush about how they gave DS9 a try (or another try) and decided that they'd made a mistake to ignore it completely or give up on it so early...or that they were too young to appreciate it the first time but love it now...or whatever reason they give for their change of heart

Well that trend does seem to be quite common with DS9, much like Enterprise.

I thought about it for a while and wondered exactly why this was so common with DS9, and the conclusion I came to was that DS9 overlapped TNG and much of the Star Trek advertisements at that time revolved mostly around TNG, since TNG was well in-place and was near it's end (only a couple of seasons left)..... people were already involved with the TNG cast/characters that there wasn't much room for something new.... let alone a show that had no starship and was situated on some odd looking "Bicycle Wheel" in space.

TNG at the time was the powerhouse.... then came in DS9, where nobody knew the characters well compared to TNG and the approach was so foreign to TOS and TNG.

I kind of think of it in a reverse situation.....

Let's say DS9 came right after TOS..... then suddenly TNG came along while DS9 was still on and TNG starts off with Encounter at Farpoint.... would many people give TNG a chance?

Probably not.

DS9 would have had a much better chance at gaining an audience at the start if they stated it right after TNG ended, rather then while it was still running.

Most Hu'Mons can't spread their concentration that far.

But of course, he can't start at the point the show gets fabulous, because part of the reason it's so good later on is because of all the character development that happens earlier, and all along. I mean, would The Visitor be as good, for example, if you didn't really know Ben and Jake very well, but watched that episode out of the blue? I don't think so. The power of that episode is in the fact that we CARE about these characters by that point.

Agreed.... back while I was getting my wife into DS9, at one point I wanted to jump into TNG and watch The Best of Both Worlds.... and while I believe she liked the episodes, she had no knowledge of the characters or their background.... and just a few days ago in our TNG watching (from Season 1 and onward) we finally reached this two part episode again and I believe she could relate to the episode and characters much more, because she was exposed to their backgrounds, their characters, their personalities and how each deals with a situation.... that and she got to see where the Borg originally came from based on the earlier episodes, from when Q tossed them off to meet them.... to all the way back to the first season where they were hinted off and on through various episodes (Much like the Dominion was hinted on through the first couple of seasons of DS9)

 

[RandyS]

Season 1 does have a few good ones though. In particular, Progress and Duet. I also think the first ep was pretty darn good too though.

If Wishes Were Horses is another excellent early episode. But I seem to be the the minority there for some inexplicable reason.

 

[jadzia_dax2369]

hey fellow niners


well

DS9 had the best science officer in starfleet. The best Captain/prophet. Had a changeling for a constable. MR Worf came and stayed on the station, oh and the best war ship in the fleet. THE USS DEFIANT

Riker" tough little ship"

Worf " Little?!!"

 

[Praxius]

Season 1 does have a few good ones though. In particular, Progress and Duet. I also think the first ep was pretty darn good too though.

If Wishes Were Horses is another excellent early episode. But I seem to be the the minority there for some inexplicable reason.

I never minded that episode, in fact I think that was the first episode that got my wife interested in DS9 early on.

 

[flemm]

In all fairness, I should probably warn you that prolonged exposure to DS9 may result in a non-fatal condition known as "Nineritis." Symptoms may include:

Oozing contempt for the lesser Trek series such as Voyager.

Profound feelings of disgust with the pomposity and arrogance of all those TNG characters you used to love.

Increased interest in gigantic swaths of moral "gray areas" you had previously failed to explore.

An uncontrollable urge to troll the Trekbbs forums like a vulture to make sure all the polls are skewed in DS9's favor.

Sudden and inexplicable fascination with the grandeur and decadence of totalitarian regimes.

Spontaneous twitching of the facial muscles at the mere mention of the words "Ferengi comedy" and "Pagh Wraith."

Engaging in long and pointless arguments about what order other people should watch the episodes in.

Allergic reactions to Trek tropes such as the "reset button" and the "one-episode romance." These involve sneezing and sometimes a rash.

Watching In the Pale Moonlight, Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges or Tacking into the Wind usually alleviates the symptoms. Should they persist, you may need to rewatch the Occupation Arc, or at least Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast

 

[TheGodBen]

An uncontrollable urge to troll the Trekbbs forums like a vulture to make sure all the polls are skewed in DS9's favor.

That's not Niners, that is a well documented glitch in vBulletin that affects all boards that use that software. They tried patching it out but that led to Enterprise winning every poll, and everybody knew that was wrong, so they removed the patch.

 

[Praxius]

Guess I am not affected, since most of the below symptoms do not relate to me, even though I feel DS9 is the best of them all

In all fairness, I should probably warn you that prolonged exposure to DS9 may result in a non-fatal condition known as "Nineritis." Symptoms may include:

Oozing contempt for the lesser Trek series such as Voyager.

I hold no contempt.... I just don't like them as much for varying reasons

Profound feelings of disgust with the pomposity and arrogance of all those TNG characters you used to love.

To this day I still don't see any of them as pompous or arrogant.

Increased interest in gigantic swaths of moral "gray areas" you had previously failed to explore.

Agreed to that, as I still have to finish watching Voyager and get beyond season 1 of Enterprise.

An uncontrollable urge to troll the Trekbbs forums like a vulture to make sure all the polls are skewed in DS9's favor.

I do not relate.

Sudden and inexplicable fascination with the grandeur and decadence of totalitarian regimes.

But I always had that

Spontaneous twitching of the facial muscles at the mere mention of the words "Ferengi comedy" and "Pagh Wraith."

"Ferengi Episode" - Yes
"Pah Wraith" - No

But in most Ferengi episodes, they did squeeze in some key character development moments of some of the other cast, which unfortunately makes one have to watch those episodes.

Though, Little Green Men was pretty funny.

Engaging in long and pointless arguments about what order other people should watch the episodes in.

That applies to all Trek series and the fans of.

Allergic reactions to Trek tropes such as the "reset button" and the "one-episode romance." These involve sneezing and sometimes a rash.

I do not understand.

 

[flemm]

I do not understand.

Don't worry, none of it is real

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

Just give the pilot another shot, then take a look at S2's finale "The Jem Hadar". If you're not at least interested in watching the whole show at that point.... your loss.

 

[Hober Mallow]

I do not understand.

Don't worry, none of it is real

You mean... "it's a faaaaaaaaake!"

 

[flemm]

[You mean... "it's a faaaaaaaaake!"

It's reeeeaal! I created it! That disease... All those symptoms... They exist. In here. In my mind.

Do you hear what I'm telling you?!?!?!

 

[TheGodBen]

It's reeeeaal! I created it! That disease... All those symptoms... They exist. In here. In my mind.

Do you hear what I'm telling you?!?!?!

For the next decade members of this board will debate whether that post is a realistic portrayal of someone having a mental breakdown and turning into a troll, or whether it's just really, really hammy.

 

[flemm]

For the next decade members of this board will debate whether that post is a realistic portrayal of someone having a mental breakdown and turning into a troll, or whether it's just really, really hammy.

You can deny me all you want, but you cannot destroy an idea. That's ancient knowledge

 

[TheGodBen]

I'm now leaning toward it being hammy.

 

[flemm]

I'm now leaning toward it being hammy.

*collapses*

 

[TheGodBen]

I've changed my mind, this is the best performance of a mental breakdown that I have ever seen on an internet forum. And I should know because I've seen a member of my own family go through the same actions during their own decent into troll-hood. Bravo!