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Christopher Eccleston finally speaks about why he left Doctor Who

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you know there are serious debates about homosexuality
... but ultimately it is really quite simple. I didn't decide that I wanted to be attracted to women, it just happened. It's a safe bet that homosexuals don't decide that they want to be attracted to their own gender. There's just nothing there to agree or disagree with. It happens, and we can choose to accept it or reject it.
 
I don't know if I can agree with that.. I mean, he had an action figure made in Gi Joe as Destro, and that movie was huge in budget and had grueling shooting schedules.. if not a bit weak on script..so it just seems like those arguements are not all there, though could be a part of the picture..

I think there's a big difference in being one character within a large cast of a film (and as I recall he isn't on screen that much in GI Joe, certainly nowhere near as often as most of the Joes are) and being the one big iconic lead of a show. I think as well that its unlikely any film's shooting schedule is as gruelling as a TV one, and again this goes back to the difference between being part of an ensemble cast, and being the lead in a show that essentially features only two characters where he's in the vast majority of scenes.

...and as has been mentioned, if he had a problem with RTD's sexuality (or his breath:wtf:) likely he wouldn't have done Who in the first place because he'd worked with RTD before.
 
you know there are serious debates about homosexuality
... but ultimately it is really quite simple. I didn't decide that I wanted to be attracted to women, it just happened. It's a safe bet that homosexuals don't decide that they want to be attracted to their own gender. There's just nothing there to agree or disagree with. It happens, and we can choose to accept it or reject it.

I have a little brother who is gay..I disagree with that point of view, so you will not see me go to gay bars with him, or kiss anothr guy to please some of his friends on a dare.. nor do I look at fashion the same way as he does..

Now, I love my brother, and I accept that he is gay..

I do not understand it, nor do I hate him or the preference he chooses..But he accepts that I do not share his point of view. and likewise I accept that he is who he is..

We have had a lot of debate on the subject of being gay, and how the activists who choose a militant stance tend to label a person completely as a bigot, simply because they do not share a point of view that Gay people share..they tend to simplify it as they are haters.. this does well to serve their goals to change legislation..I get that, and so does my brother..

But here is the thing, if other Gay people stopped looking at straight people as demons right off the bat, who do not share the support of the gay community as a public role, then they are discounting them outright.. I don't hate someone cause of their race, or sexual preference... I don't necessarily go and hang out with all people of a different colour simply because I feel I need to, nor do I walk around with a sign that says support Gay rights, but does that mean I hate you?

No, I don't, cause being gay is just one aspect of a person, not the whole person.. so while I may disagree with a person for 1 aspect or another, I do not use that aspect to judge them as a whole..

all I am saying is Gay people should be more like that, just because a straight person doesn't necessarily support a gay person's position doesn't mean they are instantly a hater, or bigot..that is all I am saying.. don't be quick to judge others who are not supportive, cause there are many more aspects to a person then just who they want to snog, or shag..

a homosexual person should not overly judge a heterosexual person for not being supportive, just as some women should not overly judge men as chauvinistic and knuckle dragging jerks..who like to beat them, as the Lifetime channel portrays on a regular basis..

I just choose to believe people are more complicated then just a simple label can describe, and that under that there is good and to discount it doesn't do that person justice..

If you came up to me and asked me if I would work in a job that I would have to portray and make myself seem like I support an open Gay policy, even with some contact involved.. I would probably say no, I would prefer a more macho role, that is just me, but I would still hang out with you and have a beer at the pub.. and be a good friend..

all I would ask is to respect my personal belief, just as I would not prohibit yours..If you wanted to play that role, that would be fine with me, and I would not have an issue..would I watch you on TV to support you as a friend? yes... would I continue to watch if there were gratuitous homosexual love scenes..yeah, to a point.. Torchwood took it a bit far on some levels, IMHO..

but that doesn't make me a homophobe, or a bigot, I wouldn't hate you for who you are.. cause who you are is so much more.

does that make sense??

I think there's a big difference in being one character within a large cast of a film (and as I recall he isn't on screen that much in GI Joe, certainly nowhere near as often as most of the Joes are) and being the one big iconic lead of a show. I think as well that its unlikely any film's shooting schedule is as gruelling as a TV one, and again this goes back to the difference between being part of an ensemble cast, and being the lead in a show that essentially features only two characters where he's in the vast majority of scenes.

...and as has been mentioned, if he had a problem with RTD's sexuality (or his breath:wtf:) likely he wouldn't have done Who in the first place because he'd worked with RTD before.


Hmmmm... that makes much sense, I didn't think of the aspect of him playing a lead role, and how that effects filming and his schedule. as to the problem he has with RTD, I never thought he and RTD had issues, but then again he is human, so he could just all of a sudden decided he didn't like working with him..

there are people I once worked with, remember them fondly, work with again... and ended up saying to myself, "I can't remember why I liked this person??"

so it could be just that..

maybe RTD switched his gum, or breath savers and they failed him, who knows.. LOL

But your point is well taken and agreed to.
 
I'm amazed there are still people out there who think being gay is a simple "lifestyle choice." As if I, a heterosexual male, could just snap my fingers one day and decide that I suddenly want to start having sex with dudes instead. lol
 
I'm amazed that a simple, diplomatic statement by Eccleston, which said NOTHING about homosexuality in any way, has turned this thread into a seven page festering pile of dogshit about who is and isn't a bigot towards homosexuality.
 
I'm amazed there are still people out there who think being gay is a simple "lifestyle choice." As if I, a heterosexual male, could just snap my fingers one day and decide that I suddenly want to start having sex with dudes instead. lol


you could do that.. I mean women do that in college and call it "an experimentation phase"...

LOL :lol:
 
does that make sense??
Well you didn't really address my point, did you?

I'm amazed that a simple, diplomatic statement by Eccleston, which said NOTHING about homosexuality in any way, has turned this thread into a seven page festering pile of dogshit about who is and isn't a bigot towards homosexuality.
It's not "dogshit", it's a nice and civil conversation. Debating is fun and healthy.

If Eccleston doesn't know by now that ambiguity breeds speculation, he's being awfully naive.
 
I'm amazed there are still people out there who think being gay is a simple "lifestyle choice." As if I, a heterosexual male, could just snap my fingers one day and decide that I suddenly want to start having sex with dudes instead. lol


you could do that.. I mean women do that in college and call it "an experimentation phase"...

LOL :lol:
They do?! :wtf:

Darn, I missed out on that one! :sigh:
 
^You're never too old, Dak... ;) :angel:

I just choose to believe people are more complicated then just a simple label can describe...

Succinctly and brilliantly put. I could not have cut to the chase better. :techman:

I also applaud your civil, intelligent address towards all the nonsense being thrown your way. You have my respect.

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I guess Eccleston was mad about someone not flushing, and was just being diplomatic about it. Sad, that.
 
Dak:

You are as "THE" says, you are never too Old..and sadly I missed out on that as well :(

Mirrorball Man:

I wasn't trying to dodge the subject and not answer your point?? I am confused now..
But regardless of yours and my views on sexuality.. I still think you are an awesome person! :) I can only hope that you see more in me then to label me a simple bigot...

The:

I am honored to have your respect. I can only hope more intelligent people take the stance to look deeper into others beyond one disagreement, to see a person for more then one label..

A Prime example of how I feel when others attack me.. As an artist, I am not for certain traditionally held Liberal views, and so I get chastised by those on the net, and art world for it..but they never want to dig deeper.. it reminds me of the human Dalek..the doctor hated it at first, but then came to regard him as someone he liked.. the doctor had to look past the overall Dalek look of him, to see the rest of the humanity beneath..

these people who instantly label someone a homophobe, Racist, or bigot, and so on, don't tend to go past the surface, and don't respect someone's views however contrary to theirs..Those simpletons are idiots, and though they feel superior to others by some twisted sense of "social justice" calling someone a label, they discount a person entirely and become a Nazi of sorts..using a label to dehumanize in an effort to win an argument..

I choose to be like the doctor in the respect that no matter how I am outnumbered, I will always fight ignorant others on this matter..

While others have centered on my disagreement on Homosexual issues they failed to look at the crux of my argument in defense of Eccleston's speculative possible departure from the show, Nice to see someone who has the wherewithal to get it.

you are an intelligent mind indeed. :D
 
Mirrorball Man:

I wasn't trying to dodge the subject and not answer your point?? I am confused now..
But regardless of yours and my views on sexuality.. I still think you are an awesome person! :) I can only hope that you see more in me then to label me a simple bigot...
What?! Sure, the play's the thing, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Dak:

You are as "THE" says, you are never too Old..and sadly I missed out on that as well :(
Actually, I wasn't serious, as I'm not at all sexually attracted to other women. I was jokingly pointing out that not all women experiment with other women in college. Is that really the stereotype? I lived in a dorm for 4 years and never saw anything like that going on. I'm not saying it didn't, and this was a large university with a partying reputation, so if it was that widespread of a practice I would have seen it.
 
Dak:

You are as "THE" says, you are never too Old..and sadly I missed out on that as well :(
Actually, I wasn't serious, as I'm not at all sexually attracted to other women. I was jokingly pointing out that not all women experiment with other women in college. Is that really the stereotype? I lived in a dorm for 4 years and never saw anything like that going on. I'm not saying it didn't, and this was a large university with a partying reputation, so if it was that widespread of a practice I would have seen it.

Not that I'm a big fan of stereotyping, but I always thought it boiled down to 'guys like to see girls make out' plus 'if you get some college girls drunk enough, they'll do anything'.

And at this point I'd say we've gotten way the hell off topic.
 
^Damn, you just ruined all my happy illusions about women's dorms at college ... ;)
Oops, so sorry. :lol:

Not that I'm a big fan of stereotyping, but I always thought it boiled down to 'guys like to see girls make out' plus 'if you get some college girls drunk enough, they'll do anything'.
No, mostly we just throw up and pass out. :lol: Or maybe that was just me. :whistle:

And at this point I'd say we've gotten way the hell off topic.
Oh well, what else is new? :shrug:
 
Actually, I wasn't serious, as I'm not at all sexually attracted to other women. I was jokingly pointing out that not all women experiment with other women in college. Is that really the stereotype? I lived in a dorm for 4 years and never saw anything like that going on. I'm not saying it didn't, and this was a large university with a partying reputation, so if it was that widespread of a practice I would have seen it.

I have a girl friend who's told me some pretty cool stories about getting it on with her other cute friends in high school and college... ;)

But I think we have to remember that girls are a bit more open to that kind of thing than us guys. And just because some people "experiment" doesn't mean there aren't also people who are genuinely, biologically, gay. It's ridiculous to suggest it's all just the same thing.
 
^Damn, you just ruined all my happy illusions about women's dorms at college ... ;)
Oops, so sorry. :lol:

Not that I'm a big fan of stereotyping, but I always thought it boiled down to 'guys like to see girls make out' plus 'if you get some college girls drunk enough, they'll do anything'.
No, mostly we just throw up and pass out. :lol: Or maybe that was just me. :whistle:

And at this point I'd say we've gotten way the hell off topic.
Oh well, what else is new? :shrug:

Your experience of college seems similar to mine. I certainly never experimented with other women, nor did any of my colleagues. We did do a bit of throwing up and passing out, as I recall: there was this awful cheap wine around back then called 'Bulls Blood' which burned the back of your throat in passing.

On topic, personally I suspect that Eccleston is hinting at the fact that he has a bit of a luvvie thing that takes his art Terribly Seriously. That really wouldn't sit well with burp and fart jokes. Add to that the general chaos of the first block of filming and one can see him being jaded without having the postulate the ridiculous idea of someone so utterly left wing being homophobic.
 
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