Enterprise A novels?
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No wonder McCoy still hates transporters - and insisted on a shuttle - in "Encounter at Farpoint". Anyone from the 23rd century glancing up at the Enterprise-D's transporter ceiling would think they'd beamed in upside down!
You know if Rasmussen's shuttle went back to the 22nd Century that might explain why they started using Phasers before Lasers.
As a fan of the original actors, I'm shocked anyone would want to read about E-A adventures without the original crew.
As a fan of the original actors, I'm shocked anyone would want to read about E-A adventures without the original crew.
Trek is Trek imo.
As a fan of the original actors, I'm shocked anyone would want to read about E-A adventures without the original crew.
As a fan of the original cast, I'm surprised anyone would want to watch a version of the TOS Enterprise and crew without them in it...
...oh, yeah - I forgot. Silly me!
[set phasers to SNARK!]
I always thought they were the same set, just with a different lighting scheme and some digital clocks bolted to the bulkheads (similar to how the TMP and TWOK bridges were the same basic set, just with different lighting and with a few panels moved around).
I have always liked the ST VI bridge the best of any of the incarnations...
They also replaced a lot of the touch-pads with analogue controls. Besides, I think the reason KingDaniel singled out the IV to V transition was that there was only supposed to be a few weeks between the two movies, and not years as there were when there were other drastic changes to the set, like I to II or V to VI.
There are some definite differences, such as the back wall behind Kirk's chair. It has more consoles/workstations between the pair of turbolifts in ST VI than in ST V. The way the deck is configured in the command well is also changed, and there are cosmetic changes all over the place. Considering the debate that's raged for years about the placement of the turbolift at the back of the TOS bridge in relation to its supposed location on the Enterprise model, the turbolift placement here is probably enough to send the Trek TechHeads into an apoplectic fit
ST V bridge
ST VI bridge
For the movies, I'm right there with ya
But a crew that has once again saved the galaxy and does get prosecuted may well end up being stripped of their commission. McCoy probably spoke a few seconds too early...
Kirk clearly believes in post-Kirk adventures of the E-A, so perhaps they're worth writing home about. Perhaps not. I know many have an interest in keeping the Shatnerverse separate from the rest of the novel continuity (such as it is), so perhaps the fate of the ship in Ashes of Eden would be felt to not affect the "main timeline" as such?
Timo Saloniemi
I heard on TBBS in the past that Denny Martin Flynn's original plan for the end of Star Trek VI was supposedly for Kirk and co to hand the ship over to the The Next Generation cast - but then someone told him the shows were set 70 years apart 
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If Trek had kept dates a little more vague over the years I think that may have been a touching ending.
In any case it's easy enough to imagine Kirk was talking about the name Enterprise rather than the ship itself ("This ship, and her history..."). The -B probably had to be under construction during STVI, unless it was simply renamed after the events of VI.
.If Trek had kept dates a little more vague over the years I think that may have been a touching ending.
In any case it's easy enough to imagine Kirk was talking about the name Enterprise rather than the ship itself ("This ship, and her history..."). The -B probably had to be under construction during STVI, unless it was simply renamed after the events of VI.
I seriously doubt the big E-B was ever intended to be the replacement of the tiny E-A, either at construction stage or when names were allocated. The E-A was probably "replaced" by, say, USS Newport, a Constellation class cruiser of the E-A size and mission profile but more modern design and construction. And if the E-B was the replacement of anything, then possibly of the dreadnought USS Star Union or somesuch.
The Enterprises have more often than not been quite dissimilar from their preceding namesakes, and unlikely candidates for "successor" in any but the namesake sense. In that sense, the E-A might have been succeeded by a light corvette named Enterprise, a ship with a completely different design and mission - and Kirk would not have seen that ship as a continuation of the heritage of the E-nil and the E-A (of which the latter indeed was a successor to the former in more than just the name).
Anyway, Uhura says "we" are being decommissioned, while Kirk says "this ship" will go on to new adventures with a new crew. Taking that literally poses no problems: it was established in the beginning of the movie that our heroes (the old guard, at any rate) were going to retire from their commissions soon enough, and it was established in a previous movie that a new generation of crew was being trained, possibly specifically for the starship doing the training...
Timo Saloniemi
The Enterprises have more often than not been quite dissimilar from their preceding namesakes, and unlikely candidates for "successor" in any but the namesake sense. In that sense, the E-A might have been succeeded by a light corvette named Enterprise, a ship with a completely different design and mission - and Kirk would not have seen that ship as a continuation of the heritage of the E-nil and the E-A (of which the latter indeed was a successor to the former in more than just the name).
Anyway, Uhura says "we" are being decommissioned, while Kirk says "this ship" will go on to new adventures with a new crew. Taking that literally poses no problems: it was established in the beginning of the movie that our heroes (the old guard, at any rate) were going to retire from their commissions soon enough, and it was established in a previous movie that a new generation of crew was being trained, possibly specifically for the starship doing the training...
Timo Saloniemi
Actually, Harve Bennett has said that there was supposed to be a 6-month shakedown period between IV and V. Although it's true that you'd never know it from the film itself.
One might always try the good old "One of those is the battle bridge!" rationalization here. If Starfleet found too many things broken, incorrectly installed or otherwise substandard with the main bridge, perhaps they told Kirk to use the auxiliary one instead for the time being?
In any case, my faithful stardate hobbyhorse now tugs my sleeve for pointing out that the jump from IV to V is from 8390 to 8450, while the jump from III to IV was from 8210 to 8390. If the III/IV gap represents the three months on Vulcan exile, then the IV/V gap should be one month long...
The competing theory, of 1000 SD units per year, would suggest gaps of somewhat shorter duration, but not by much.
Not that even I'd truly dare extend stardate logic to the TOS movies, or to TAS.
Timo Saloniemi
In any case, my faithful stardate hobbyhorse now tugs my sleeve for pointing out that the jump from IV to V is from 8390 to 8450, while the jump from III to IV was from 8210 to 8390. If the III/IV gap represents the three months on Vulcan exile, then the IV/V gap should be one month long...
The competing theory, of 1000 SD units per year, would suggest gaps of somewhat shorter duration, but not by much.
Not that even I'd truly dare extend stardate logic to the TOS movies, or to TAS.
Timo Saloniemi
This is how I interpreted the lines when I first saw the movie, and in the context of TUC it makes the most sense, despite the awkward use of "decommissioned." In fact I recall being quite surprised when watching GEN that the 1701-B was being launched what appears to be shortly after the events of TUC, given that Kirk's last log entry suggested that he expected the ship to be handed over to another crew.
Now, taking GEN into consideration, the decommissioning must refer to the ship, though this makes Kirk's log entry a little strange. I know, you can argue that he was speaking figuratively, but that isn't what I get out of it just watching the movie by itself and not considering what happened later.
I find the whole ending of TUC rather strange. The entire crew retiring at once? How does that make sense, given the substantial differences in age, rank, and experience? The whole thing was rather contrived in the name of giving the original cast a sendoff. So I try not to dwell on it too much.
Did they say that? Kirk says to Bones something about retirement and Scottie mentions he bought a boat but beyond that do we really no that the rest retiered. The crew stood down but maybe not everyone retiered?
I also want to know why it took McCoy three years to notice Sulu was gone...
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