Meat Eater / Vegetarian / Vegan

[Brent]

Look, I don't really care if someone doesn't eat meat, just don't take away my freedom to do so.

 

[Amaris]

Look, I don't really care if someone doesn't eat meat, just don't take away my freedom to do so.

I don't think anyone's talking about taking anyone's freedom to eat meat.

 

[Aurian]

Since I always look for a high dose of protein, it is natural that I go for meat first.
Why? Because beans just does not work for me.
That being said, if there is no veggies on my plate I find the meal incomplete and boring and might aswell eat a bowl of oatmeal.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

So since you don't eat meat, you don't think I should be allowed to either? You would legislate your own personal beliefs into absolute law? That's not very open-minded, is it?

On the contrary. Open-minded means "Receptive to new and different ideas." Meat eating is an old, traditional and common idea. Clinging stubbornly to that tradition is what is not being very open minded.

Nope. What you are describing is being liberally minded (looking away from the traditional ways and embracing newer ideas) and at the same time closed minded (intolerant of other people's point of view and believing that only your way is the right way).

For a further example, see the Simpsons episode "Lisa the Vegetarian."

 

[Jadzia]

What you are describing is being liberally minded (looking away from the traditional ways and embracing newer ideas) and at the same time closed minded (intolerant of other people's point of view and believing that only your way is the right way).

Then I guess I'm closed minded about thieves as well.

 

[Admiral Shran]

I eat meat. It tastes good. Pork chops taste good. Bacon tastes good. A nice juicy Porterhouse tastes good.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

What you are describing is being liberally minded (looking away from the traditional ways and embracing newer ideas) and at the same time closed minded (intolerant of other people's point of view and believing that only your way is the right way).

Then I guess I'm closed minded about thieves as well.

Oh, the whole "thieves are bad, m'kay?" attitude is so conservative and traditionalist...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Look, I don't really care if someone doesn't eat meat, just don't take away my freedom to do so.

I don't think anyone's talking about taking anyone's freedom to eat meat.

Really? Care to explain this, then?

Naturally, if I think something is wrongful, then I think it should be against the law.

 

[Rincewiend]

Omnivore with a very varied diet...
I will pretty much try almost anything that gets put in front of me...
Favourite type of meat: chicken.
Favourite vegetable: cauliflower.
Favourite dish: vegetable soup.

 

[Brent]

I eat meat. It tastes good. Pork chops taste good. Bacon tastes good. A nice juicy Porterhouse tastes good.

now i'm hungry

 

[Amaris]

Look, I don't really care if someone doesn't eat meat, just don't take away my freedom to do so.

I don't think anyone's talking about taking anyone's freedom to eat meat.

Really? Care to explain this, then?

Naturally, if I think something is wrongful, then I think it should be against the law.

Sure can. Nowhere did Jadzia explicitly or implicitly state that she would ban everyone from eating meat. The burden of proof is on you to prove that she made such a statement.

 

[Brandonv]

I once tried an all vegetarian diet, but the vegetarians where hard to catch.

 

[Geckothan]

Meat eater and proud. I eat meat almost every day, usually of the red variety (to hell with the supposed health risks). I'm pretty confident I could be a vegetarian though if I wanted, I can live on pasta, but I'd never choose to because it wouldn't be manly, it would get boring and meat is awesome (except for chicken, which is one of the blandest things in the world, and not just watery supermarket battery chicken either, but local farm chickens that get treated like pets until they're killed).

Militant anti-meat types can go suck on a carrot.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Look, I don't really care if someone doesn't eat meat, just don't take away my freedom to do so.

I don't think anyone's talking about taking anyone's freedom to eat meat.

Really? Care to explain this, then?

Naturally, if I think something is wrongful, then I think it should be against the law.

Because if something is wrong it should be illegal. This is why your arguments have no merit; they can't be applied universally.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Nowhere did Jadzia explicitly or implicitly state that she would ban everyone from eating meat. The burden of proof is on you to prove that she made such a statement.

Excuse me? What part of that quote did you not get? She said that if she thinks something is wrong (as she clearly does with eating meat), then it should be against the law. What other conclusion would you have me draw from that?

Because if something is wrong it should be illegal.

Do *you* eat meat? If not, do you think it's wrong? 'Cause if that's true, then you just admitted that *you* would ban eating meat as well.

This is why your arguments have no merit; they can't be applied universally.

Explain.

 

[greenguy]

Objectively, as a society, the developed world eats far too much red meat, and we eat far too much in general. There is no good reason, financially or physically, to be eating red meat every single day.

 

[Amaris]

Nowhere did Jadzia explicitly or implicitly state that she would ban everyone from eating meat. The burden of proof is on you to prove that she made such a statement.

Excuse me? What part of that quote did you not get? She said that if she thinks something is wrong (as she clearly does with eating meat), then it should be against the law. What other conclusion would you have me draw from that?

Because if something is wrong it should be illegal.

Do *you* eat meat? If not, do you think it's wrong? 'Cause if that's true, then you just admitted that *you* would ban eating meat as well.

This is why your arguments have no merit; they can't be applied universally.

Explain.

Since you haven't, I'll post your statement and Jadzia's entire response to you.

Or do you mean that the existence of predators somehow gives you the right to be a predator too?

that's pretty much it, yeah. And even so, I personally am not a predator. I don't kill the animals. I merely eat them. They're already dead; *someone* might as well make their death worthwhile...

But supply and demand means that you sanctioned the killing, and are morally no different than the killer.

But why does your moral logic not translate to other acts of hostility? For example, does the existence of thieves give you the right to be a thief too?

No, because stealing is against the law. Eating meat is not. (You wouldn't want it to be...would you? )

My question was one of morality, not law.

Law doesn't define what is morally right and wrong; it only defines what is to be punished. Theft isn't wrongful because it is against the law; it is wrongful because it is immoral.

Idealistically, we try to create laws as a reflection of morality, but their creation is most strongly influenced by the common desire to maintain a status quo, and only appealing to what is convenient to change, and to what is practical and popular.


Naturally, if I think something is wrongful, then I think it should be against the law.

In context, Jadzia is responding to your statement about the morality of law. You then lead her into answering whether she would want it to be illegal. You broached that subject, not her. She isn't telling you that she would make meat eating immoral, she's telling you that she believes if she thinks something is wrongful (like stealing), then it should be against the law. You framed your posts in such a way as to make it look as if she would simply make it illegal to eat meat. Context is king. She didn't say she would make it illegal for you to eat meat, instead she made two separate statements on two separate issues and you combined them and made the implication. The misunderstanding is at your end, not hers.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Meat eater. I don't do well trying to get a lot of fruits and vegetables down (many fruits are too overwhelming in their sweetness, and for vegetables I can't get them down unless they're cooked), so I don't think I could ever have an adequate diet if I tried to go vegetarian or vegan. Acid reflux disease complicates the issue further...too much fruit would set me off badly, or an excess of bitter vegetables, whereas something like chicken or fish doesn't affect me as badly. (Steak...it depends on what's put on it.)

I think that animals need to be treated much more humanely than they are--but for me, it's a choice between eating meat or getting sick from a nutritionally insufficient diet.

EDIT: To sum up--Obligate Omnivore.

This, pretty much to a T.

Eww, you have reflux too? No fun.




And this is why I don't like it when people preach about how you must be a cold-blooded killer if you don't do the "right" thing and abstain from meat. For me that would mean being on a LOT of supplements, and likely also in constant pain because of having to eat things I can't process correctly, whereas I CAN process a chicken or a fish properly. Should the law tell me that I have to live like that??? I don't think so.

Should I avoid waste, and push for a humane animal farming industry? I believe so. But to tell me that I should have to trade a diet I get good quality of life on for one that would physically disrupt me that badly--PETA can take that and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There is no good reason, financially or physically, to be eating red meat every single day.

I don't consider red meat to be harmful to my health. My doctor clearly does not either. Neither do the results from my physicals. So that's enough for me.

Although I admit I don't eat it every day. That would be boring. I loves me a good Subway sandwich (there's one a block from my house)...

 

[RandyS]

Why is there no option for both? I can't vote.